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  • parkerbink
    R3V OG
    • Jun 2004
    • 10134

    #601
    Originally posted by rward325
    Those who are left on this board who know me also know I will not chime in unless my ire has been raised or I know what I am talking about. In this particular matter it is both. I will weigh in and then disappear back in to the shadows once again! This blatant anti Semitic rhetoric has got me ole Jewish blood boiling!

    For 3000 years the Jews have been harassed, beaten and killed by different societies. Now in the 20th century Great Britain feels nice and gives the Jews a piece of land in the middle of the desert that has been important to them since biblical times. Admittedly this area is also of religious importance to many other religions. Once the state of Israel was recognized by the United Nations the Arab world set out to destroy it. In a series of battles and wars through the 60's and 70's the Israelis have taken land and occupied it as is allowed in the doctrines of war and the Geneva Convention.

    After the creation of the Israeli state the Israeli Government offered many Arab and Palestinian settlers in this land double what their land was worth so they could build Kibbutz and settlements for the new Israeli Citizens. The Arabs and the Palestinians gladly accept this money and move away. Years later these same people run out of money and are now crying for their land back. They accuse the Israelis of stealing their property and throwing them out. This is so far from the truth that it is ridiculous.
    They have allowed the Palestinians to stay and have treated them well through all of the anti Israeli sentiment of the Palestinian Organizations refusal to recognize the right of Israel to exist. The Palestinians have clearly stated they will not rest until there is not a single Jew left alive. Yet the Israelis have not gone in and wholesale ejected all of these people out of Israel. They have repeatedly given back land that was rightfully taken in the spoils of war. They have openly negotiated with Terrorists for peace as these same terrorists launch Rockets and set bombs to kill Israeli citizens.
    How can we look down out noses at he Israelis when all they are trying to do is survive. Yes, the United States supplies the Israelis with weapons. But who is supplying the Palestinians with their arms? Lets take a roll call on this one. Iran, Syria, China and Russia are all in the mix here. The Chinese and the Russians are selling to the highest bidder these days. The Iranians and the Syrians have lots of Oil money to spend. They buy the weapons and then these weapons are then smuggled in to the settlements and used against the Israelis.

    Joshh I think you need a serious lesson in world history. If you ever get a chance to come to Cali I would highly recommend a trip to the Museum of Tolerance and the Jewish University at Stephen S. Wise Temple. Both of these places have huge archives of historical documents open for public review. As a Jew and descendant of Holocaust Jews I have spent many hours in these places studying and gathering information for my own personal edification. Let us not forget what has happened or we are doomed to repeat it! Do some studying Josh, get some facts together and them come back to the table informed of things that have really transpired in Israel. I at this point I will disengage as it is tantamount to have a battle of with an unarmed person.
    That's what I meant.

    Thanks!

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    • Massive Lee
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      • Sep 2006
      • 6785

      #602
      Hi rward325, with al respect, allow me another version of geography and history where Jerusalem is the focus point of two religions. Christianity and Islam. Jews being only of minor interest in the equation.

      The first Jewish diaspora was 700BC by the Babylonians, then 100AD by the Romans who destroyed Jerusalem. Jews spread to Europe, and only a few remained in this Arab territory with Jerusalem being of great interest for Christians and Muslims.

      In the 13th Century Roman Catholics tried to take Jerusalem from Muslims, and lost it to Saladin at the end of the 12th century. Which was the beggining of the 100 year war between Christians coming from Europe to fight Arabs. 12 centuries before that, Jesus was born. And guess what? He was Arab, Christian Arab of course. So don't tell me that this territory has nothing to do with Arabs. That territory was mainly fought between Christians and Muslims.

      The only reason why there are so many Jews now in Israel is because of the relocation after WWII, and the fall of the Communist front in the 1980s where any Russian could declare he was Jewish and move to Israel as a settler. So basically, that whole country was built under artificial demographics. How many Jews have immigrated to that country, compared to how many Arabs have been living there for generations?

      So what room was rightfully left to Palestians? Not much.

      4 millions Jews died from the WWII holocaust.
      2 millions Cambodians died from the 1970'-80' Holocaust
      40 millions Chinese died under Mao Tse Tung's Great Leap Forward

      How come we always get reminded of one Holocaust? Is that propaganda or what? Is that an exclusive right? And why is it always used as a reason to make us understand the need of creating a Jewish state? What about the hundreds of thousands of Tzigans who were also "Holocausted" beside Jews during WWII. Do they also deserve their own country? And the homosexuals? And the Ukranians?

      Let stop crying on the poor Israelians. They knew very well in what they were embarking in 1947. Once and for all. Israel only exists since 1947, stolen from a state called Palestine, populated by Palestinians, that have been "genocided" for the past 60 years.
      Brake harder. Go faster. No shit.

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      • parkerbink
        R3V OG
        • Jun 2004
        • 10134

        #603
        Originally posted by Massive Lee
        Hi rward325, with al respect, allow me another version of geography and history where Jerusalem is the focus point of two religions. Christianity and Islam. Jews being only of minor interest in the equation.

        The first Jewish diaspora was 700BC by the Babylonians, then 100AD by the Romans who destroyed Jerusalem. Jews spread to Europe, and only a few remained in this Arab territory with Jerusalem being of great interest for Christians and Muslims.

        In the 13th Century Roman Catholics tried to take Jerusalem from Muslims, and lost it to Saladin at the end of the 12th century. Which was the beggining of the 100 year war between Christians coming from Europe to fight Arabs. 12 centuries before that, Jesus was born. And guess what? He was Arab, Christian Arab of course. So don't tell me that this territory has nothing to do with Arabs. That territory was mainly fought between Christians and Muslims.

        The only reason why there are so many Jews now in Israel is because of the relocation after WWII, and the fall of the Communist front in the 1980s where any Russian could declare he was Jewish and move to Israel as a settler. So basically, that whole country was built under artificial demographics. How many Jews have immigrated to that country, compared to how many Arabs have been living there for generations?

        So what room was rightfully left to Palestians? Not much.

        4 millions Jews died from the WWII holocaust.
        2 millions Cambodians died from the 1970'-80' Holocaust
        40 millions Chinese died under Mao Tse Tung's Great Leap Forward

        How come we always get reminded of one Holocaust? Is that propaganda or what? Is that an exclusive right? And why is it always used as a reason to make us understand the need of creating a Jewish state? What about the hundreds of thousands of Tzigans who were also "Holocausted" beside Jews during WWII. Do they also deserve their own country? And the homosexuals? And the Ukranians?

        Let stop crying on the poor Israelians. They knew very well in what they were embarking in 1947. Once and for all. Israel only exists since 1947, stolen from a state called Palestine, populated by Palestinians, that have been "genocided" for the past 60 years.
        Israeli is a person from Israel, Six million Jews died in the holocaust.

        Facts please.

        Bottom line: the area belonged to England they OWNED IT they chose to give it to Israel, just as what happened 3000 years ago is history so is who last owned it when it went to Israel. They did not steal anything.

        All of the peoples you cite were wrongly targeted ONCE. The Jews have been targeted through the ages. Over and over by one regime after another.

        It is clear you really feel the pain of the Palestinian. When are you selling all your property, going to Gaza and setting up a shelter for their benefit? I'll gladly donate 10k when you set up your charitable corporation.

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        • joshh
          R3V OG
          • Aug 2004
          • 6195

          #604
          Originally posted by parkerbink
          Wow, you just don't know anything.

          I'll help you.

          As a result of losing world war 1 the Ottoman Empire was divided up among the winners. England got the area known at the time as British Mandate for Palestine.

          They allowed Jewish emigration to the area and in 1947 created Israel.

          Israel stole nothing. Please read before you further shove your entire family's feet into your mouth.

          Since you don't know how to search I'll help you.













          Israel won several wars, (in which they were not the aggressor) that got them land, they have given the land back only to have it used to launch attacks into Israel so they take it back.

          If a terrorist coalition in Canada fired missiles into Detroit do you think the US would just take it? If the Canadian government did nothing I bet we would invade and take the area the missiles were coming from.

          Please get a clue.


          You are a fucking idiot, They never gave the land back. Think 1967 borders. Your whole other argument has already been covered.
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          • parkerbink
            R3V OG
            • Jun 2004
            • 10134

            #605
            Originally posted by joshh
            You are a fucking idiot, They never gave the land back. Think 1967 borders. Your whole other argument has already been covered.

            Really???

            Wow Stupid and insistent on calling others stupid. A winning combination.

            Israel took Gaza, then gave it back in order to appease their attackers, then they were attacked from Gaza hence the current incursion into Gaza.

            Jesus you are truly retarded.



            The Gaza Strip (Arabic: قطاع غزة‎ transliteration: Qiṭāʿ Ġazza/Qita' Ghazzah, Hebrew: רצועת עזה‎ Retzu'at 'Azza) is a coastal strip of land along the Mediterranean Sea currently governed by Hamas. It borders Egypt on the south-west and Israel on the north and east. It is about 41 kilometers (25 mi) long, and between 6 and 12 kilometers (4–7.5 mi) wide, with a total area of 360 square kilometers (139 sq mi). The area is not recognized internationally as part of any sovereign country but is claimed by the Palestinian National Authority as part of the Palestinian territories. Since the June 2007 battle of Gaza, actual control of the area is in the hands of the Hamas de facto government.

            Israel governed the Gaza Strip from 1967-2005. Pursuant to the Oslo Accords signed between Israel and the Palestinian Authority, Israel maintains control of the strip's airspace, territorial waters, and offshore maritime access, as well as its side of the Gaza-Israel border. This continued control has allowed the Israeli state, which opposes Hamas, to control the inflow and outflow of Gaza's essential resources, including food.[citation needed] When food is in short supply, Gazans have taken in food supplied by World Food Programme workers in the area.[citation needed] Israel's position is that reports of food or fuel crisis are "created and promoted by Hamas." According to Israel, "there is no humanitarian crisis in Gaza" and Hamas purposely shuts down electricity and confiscates the fuel supplied by Israel to Gaza.[1]

            Egypt governed the Gaza Strip from 1948-1967 and today runs the southern border between the Gaza strip and the Sinai desert, a border now famous for the breach in early 2008.

            The territory takes its name from Gaza, its main city. It has about 1.4 million Palestinian Arab (or Gazan) residents.[2]

            A) what was covered where?

            B) I am not arguing I am attempting to educate you.


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            • joshh
              R3V OG
              • Aug 2004
              • 6195

              #606
              Originally posted by rward325
              Those who are left on this board who know me also know I will not chime in unless my ire has been raised or I know what I am talking about. In this particular matter it is both. I will weigh in and then disappear back in to the shadows once again! This blatant anti Semitic rhetoric has got me ole Jewish blood boiling!

              For 3000 years the Jews have been harassed, beaten and killed by different societies. Now in the 20th century Great Britain feels nice and gives the Jews a piece of land in the middle of the desert that has been important to them since biblical times. Admittedly this area is also of religious importance to many other religions. Once the state of Israel was recognized by the United Nations the Arab world set out to destroy it. In a series of battles and wars through the 60's and 70's the Israelis have taken land and occupied it as is allowed in the doctrines of war and the Geneva Convention.

              After the creation of the Israeli state the Israeli Government offered many Arab and Palestinian settlers in this land double what their land was worth so they could build Kibbutz and settlements for the new Israeli Citizens. The Arabs and the Palestinians gladly accept this money and move away. Years later these same people run out of money and are now crying for their land back. They accuse the Israelis of stealing their property and throwing them out. This is so far from the truth that it is ridiculous.
              They have allowed the Palestinians to stay and have treated them well through all of the anti Israeli sentiment of the Palestinian Organizations refusal to recognize the right of Israel to exist. The Palestinians have clearly stated they will not rest until there is not a single Jew left alive. Yet the Israelis have not gone in and wholesale ejected all of these people out of Israel. They have repeatedly given back land that was rightfully taken in the spoils of war. They have openly negotiated with Terrorists for peace as these same terrorists launch Rockets and set bombs to kill Israeli citizens.
              How can we look down out noses at he Israelis when all they are trying to do is survive. Yes, the United States supplies the Israelis with weapons. But who is supplying the Palestinians with their arms? Lets take a roll call on this one. Iran, Syria, China and Russia are all in the mix here. The Chinese and the Russians are selling to the highest bidder these days. The Iranians and the Syrians have lots of Oil money to spend. They buy the weapons and then these weapons are then smuggled in to the settlements and used against the Israelis.

              Joshh I think you need a serious lesson in world history. If you ever get a chance to come to Cali I would highly recommend a trip to the Museum of Tolerance and the Jewish University at Stephen S. Wise Temple. Both of these places have huge archives of historical documents open for public review. As a Jew and descendant of Holocaust Jews I have spent many hours in these places studying and gathering information for my own personal edification. Let us not forget what has happened or we are doomed to repeat it! Do some studying Josh, get some facts together and them come back to the table informed of things that have really transpired in Israel. I at this point I will disengage as it is tantamount to have a battle of with an unarmed person.



              Well if we are talking about unarmed people then you have your hands tied behind your back. And your feet jammed up your asshole.
              Show me where the Geneva Convention says an invading force can have their civilians take land and settle on it.
              I find it interesting you leave out the part where Israel makes it near impossible for the Palestinians to remain in Israel. Let alone their own land. But then again you are Jewish...
              The Israeli's bought the Arabs land ......LMFAO, that is an outright lie and you know it.
              You have it wrong which the exact problem with israelis that are Zionists. The Palestinian people want at least their land back from 1967. It's Hamas and several other organizations that want to wipe Israel off the face of the planet. Get your facts right Zionist.
              Palestinians were never treated well by israel. they day they moved in they made it very hard for the average Palestinian to live. As seen today.
              Oh yes there's the ol "Israeli's are just trying to survive" line again. In the mean time they have taken more and more land from the Palestinians and have honey combed off all of Palestine so every Palistinian has to go through check points to get anywhere.
              I'd love to take a look at those JEWISH documents that are heavily one sided. I would of course have to look at how Israel is handling the situation over there as it is now and instantly see that Israel is doing much much more than "just trying to live". That is the biggest bullshit line of them all.
              Hamas sends over a hundred rockets that are 30 years old and their "lucky" to kill 4 people...Israel turns around and brutalizes the people of palestine and justifies hitting schools the air port, TV stations and evn a UN outpost even though they know those rockets have shit of a chance of really hitting anything. Then Israel blames the Palestinian people.
              Yes let's not repeat it. Oops Israel is doing pretty good at removing the Palestinians without the use of gas chambers. They can smother them out of existance so it doesn't look like genocide.
              Now it's time you opened your eyes to the truth and see that Israel treats the general population of Palestine like cattle. You already made the mistake of saying Palestinians instead of Hamas or the other groups that want Israel wiped.
              You are a Zionist and a Jew who has swallowed the bullshit that all Israel is trying to do is survive...while they are slowly removing another race from "their" territory.
              Talk about weaponless.
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              • joshh
                R3V OG
                • Aug 2004
                • 6195

                #607
                Originally posted by parkerbink
                Really???

                Wow Stupid and insistent on calling others stupid. A winning combination.

                Israel took Gaza, then gave it back in order to appease their attackers, then they were attacked from Gaza hence the current incursion into Gaza.

                Jesus you are truly retarded.



                The Gaza Strip (Arabic: قطاع غزة‎ transliteration: Qiṭāʿ Ġazza/Qita' Ghazzah, Hebrew: רצועת עזה‎ Retzu'at 'Azza) is a coastal strip of land along the Mediterranean Sea currently governed by Hamas. It borders Egypt on the south-west and Israel on the north and east. It is about 41 kilometers (25 mi) long, and between 6 and 12 kilometers (4–7.5 mi) wide, with a total area of 360 square kilometers (139 sq mi). The area is not recognized internationally as part of any sovereign country but is claimed by the Palestinian National Authority as part of the Palestinian territories. Since the June 2007 battle of Gaza, actual control of the area is in the hands of the Hamas de facto government.

                Israel governed the Gaza Strip from 1967-2005. Pursuant to the Oslo Accords signed between Israel and the Palestinian Authority, Israel maintains control of the strip's airspace, territorial waters, and offshore maritime access, as well as its side of the Gaza-Israel border. This continued control has allowed the Israeli state, which opposes Hamas, to control the inflow and outflow of Gaza's essential resources, including food.[citation needed] When food is in short supply, Gazans have taken in food supplied by World Food Programme workers in the area.[citation needed] Israel's position is that reports of food or fuel crisis are "created and promoted by Hamas." According to Israel, "there is no humanitarian crisis in Gaza" and Hamas purposely shuts down electricity and confiscates the fuel supplied by Israel to Gaza.[1]

                Egypt governed the Gaza Strip from 1948-1967 and today runs the southern border between the Gaza strip and the Sinai desert, a border now famous for the breach in early 2008.

                The territory takes its name from Gaza, its main city. It has about 1.4 million Palestinian Arab (or Gazan) residents.[2]

                A) what was covered where?

                B) I am not arguing I am attempting to educate you.


                Repeat after me:

                Do you want fries with your order?

                You'll need it when you move out of Mom's basement and have to get a job.


                LMFAO....and when did the Israeli's take Gaza? Oops there goes your whole arument again. Oh, and what were the borders of 1967. Look that up, you might learn something.
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                • parkerbink
                  R3V OG
                  • Jun 2004
                  • 10134

                  #608
                  Originally posted by joshh
                  LMFAO....and when did the Israeli's take Gaza? Oops there goes your whole arument again. Oh, and what were the borders of 1967. Look that up, you might learn something.

                  You are unteachable so I will stop trying. Obviously even though numerous people have tried you cling to your baseless beliefs.

                  All land that exceeds the land Israel had in 1947 has been won in wars in which Israel was attacked.

                  http://www.zionism-israel.com/map_of..._distances.htm

                  Grow up.

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                  • yoni
                    E30 Addict
                    • Aug 2008
                    • 468

                    #609
                    Wow -

                    honestly Joshh, you have to be one of the stupid fuckers I have EVER seen express themselves.

                    You disgust me.


                    And seriously, if anyone on the board knows, or lives near Joshh, please go kick him in the teeth for me?
                    Paypal?

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                    • joshh
                      R3V OG
                      • Aug 2004
                      • 6195

                      #610
                      1947 Palistine showing Jewish land.



                      Palistine and Israel today.

                      Shall I get the maps for the occupation?
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                      • joshh
                        R3V OG
                        • Aug 2004
                        • 6195

                        #611
                        Originally posted by yoni
                        Wow -

                        honestly Joshh, you have to be one of the stupid fuckers I have EVER seen express themselves.

                        You disgust me.


                        And seriously, if anyone on the board knows, or lives near Joshh, please go kick him in the teeth for me?
                        Paypal?


                        Oh yes one of those "all I want is peace" Jews.
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                        "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents. Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the [federal] government." ~ James Madison

                        ‎"If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen" Barack Obama

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                        • joshh
                          R3V OG
                          • Aug 2004
                          • 6195

                          #612
                          Originally posted by parkerbink
                          You are unteachable so I will stop trying. Obviously even though numerous people have tried you cling to your baseless beliefs.

                          All land that exceeds the land Israel had in 1947 has been won in wars in which Israel was attacked.

                          http://www.zionism-israel.com/map_of..._distances.htm

                          Grow up.


                          And that is covered in the Geneva Convention how! Rhetorical....
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                          • yoni
                            E30 Addict
                            • Aug 2008
                            • 468

                            #613
                            Originally posted by joshh
                            Oh yes one of those "all I want is peace" Jews.
                            Honestly, come to Montreal.

                            I'll break your face into peaces

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                            • joshh
                              R3V OG
                              • Aug 2004
                              • 6195

                              #614
                              Originally posted by yoni
                              Honestly, come to Montreal.

                              Honestly, STFU.

                              You'd do well as a border guard in the IDF.
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                              • yoni
                                E30 Addict
                                • Aug 2008
                                • 468

                                #615
                                You do realize you are an anti-semite, though.. right?

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