California School sends 5 students home for wearing American Flag on Cinco de Mayo

[Norwegiandane]

UMMMMMMM DURRRRR



For that matter you dont seem to have been to a Base ball game or a race or other sporting event where the national anthem is sung have you. Everyone has their hat off and over their heart. SO again a Pic is worth a 1000 words

here is another one

No you don't idiot. Watch any game, race or what have you. When the anthem is sung they are standing arms behind back. Baseball players will remove their hats and place it over their heart as is standard practice. I go to the Indy 500 every year since 1986 and no one in the stands, or any of the team has their hand over their hearts.

[LBJefferies]

United States Code, 36 U.S.C. § 301, states that during a rendition of the national anthem, when the flag is displayed, all present except those in uniform should stand at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart; Members of the Armed Forces and veterans who are present and not in uniform may render the military salute; men not in uniform should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold the headdress at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart; and individuals in uniform should give the military salute at the first note of the anthem and maintain that position until the last note; and when the flag is not displayed, all present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag were displayed. The national anthem is also played on U.S. military installations at the beginning of the duty day (0600) and at the end of duty day (1700). Military law requires all vehicles on the installation to stop when the song is played and all individuals outside to stand at attention and face the direction of the music and either salute, in uniform, or place the right hand over the heart, if out of uniform. Recently enacted law in 2008 allows military veterans to salute out of uniform, as well.[16][17]

However, this statutory suggestion does not have any penalty associated with violations. 36 U.S.C. § 301 Moreover, generations of students who were introduced to flag etiquette prior to its enactment in 1998 were taught that the hand over the heart gesture was exclusively for the Pledge of Allegiance which has had the statutory requirement for much longer.(4 U.S.C. § 4)[citation needed] This behavioral requirement for the national anthem is subject to the same First Amendment controversies that surround the Pledge.[18] For example, Jehovah’s Witnesses are not required to stand for or sing the national anthem.[19][20][21]

[Norwegiandane]

National anthems

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUy9xbnun6Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGQfHIfSWK0&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pC49AqKlgs&feature=related

Need more? I can count on one hand how many had their hands over their hearts. Bunch of unAmericans huh.

All through elementary school and middle school we stood for the anthem and them put our hands over our hearts to recite the pledge.

As a side note, the Pledge of Allegiance was written in 1892 to commemorate the 400th anniversary of the discovery of America by Christopher Columbus. It was re-written several times and only had the words "under God" written in to the pledge in 1953.

[rwh11385]

Do you actually farm at all? Have you taken any classes on crop production, soil fertility, plant genetics, or agriculture economics? Because your spitting a lot of words out your ass. Monsanto has shut done 95% all seed cleaning companies, if you ever plan on using seed collected from harvest good luck cleaning or finding someone to clean it BECAUSE ITS AGAINST THE LAW.

Sure if you planting less than an acre in your back yard your not going to get caught but if your trying do more than an acre consistently, your going to get caught. Monsanto is a great company and evil company it just depends on what issue your dealing with.

I've worked in the industry, yes. Really? "shut done" They bought up some locals and regional seed corn companies, but still sells traits to others that remain. Once again, if people are trying to bypass their technology fees, I can see why they are trying to cut down on that.

Yeah a local farmer her in Kentucky can grow for him or herself and maybe a farmers market once in a while. It's the big farms that feed the whole country that are effected by the unfair patent process.

"Facts are stupid things" Pres. Ronald Reagan. Seems to me that the conservatives in this country do more and are more willing to do harm to their constituents then most liberals. Maybe if you turned off Rush, Hannity, and Beck, and spend a little time in a library you may learn a thing or two. Good luck with that.

Yeah... why the fuck would a farmer grow field corn for a farmers market which in most cases refers to an end user marketplace?

There are plenty of farmers out there who have said fuck Monsanto and RR corn or soy, and just stick to conventional. They give up some savings by having to use more herbicide than the RR plan, but with glyphosate resistance growing and technology fees, they can be just as well going conventional. What's unfair about Monsanto, DAS, Dupont, or Pioneer working hard to find new traits and then protecting that?

BTW, I don't need to turn off Rush, Hannity, or Beck because I don't listen to them thank you. I don't like to be influenced by mainstream moron talking heads.

Yes a farmer can raise his own seed corn for fucks sake, I spent one summer as tassel cutter on a seed corn farm in SW mi as a kid. There is so much ground that is put into seed corn there its not even funny, some of it is for the big commercial growers. The guy I worked for, grew his own seed for the next year and also sold to many of the other local farmers for conventional crop, to feed to live stock.

The big farmers use the patented seed because its beneficial for them to use as the benefit far out weighs the cost. They dont have to use the shit, but then if they didnt You would see FOOD PRICES SKY ROCKET due to shortage of supply. We are already seeing this with Corn production being subsidized for Ethanol production. This means what ever comes off that ground cant be used for Food production in any way, Ie, your cereal, or feed for you Beef, or Chickens.

Thank you. At least someone knows from previous experience or industry involvement that the liberal blogs are moronic.


Norwegiandane, thanks for proving my point by posting more hippie hate articles about MON. Everyone knows they are greedy and focused on capturing the lion's share of trait benefits, but you're off the deep end and a dumbass.

[Norwegiandane]

"Goodnight, and good luck"

[e30e]

I've worked in the industry, yes. Really? "shut done" They bought up some locals and regional seed corn companies, but still sells traits to others that remain. Once again, if people are trying to bypass their technology fees, I can see why they are trying to cut down on that.



Yeah... why the fuck would a farmer grow field corn for a farmers market which in most cases refers to an end user marketplace?

There are plenty of farmers out there who have said fuck Monsanto and RR corn or soy, and just stick to conventional. They give up some savings by having to use more herbicide than the RR plan, but with glyphosate resistance growing and technology fees, they can be just as well going conventional. What's unfair about Monsanto, DAS, Dupont, or Pioneer working hard to find new traits and then protecting that?

BTW, I don't need to turn off Rush, Hannity, or Beck because I don't listen to them thank you. I don't like to be influenced by mainstream moron talking heads.


Thank you. At least someone knows from previous experience or industry involvement that the liberal blogs are moronic.


Norwegiandane, thanks for proving my point by posting more hippie hate articles about MON. Everyone knows they are greedy and focused on capturing the lion's share of trait benefits, but you're off the deep end and a dumbass.

I fully support GMO crops FYI, I don't believe shutting down and making seed cleaning illegal is fair. I understand on a scientific principle how hard it is to patent a seed and have it contaminated with non gm crops. Like I said Monsanto is great or evil company depending on who you are. I refuse to buy organic food from a store and will only at a market if I can talk to the people who actually produce it and not a salesman. (love to have this job though) I know too many farmers and loopholes they do to "organically" grow food. Visiting real organic farms and not the hippie communes is a joke, farmers will straight tell you the quality is shit compared to crops grown around the organic field acting as barriers for pests.

Graduating with a degree in Agriculture Technology Management and Education; I wrote too many damn lesson plans on bioethical issues in agriculture.

[rwh11385]

I fully support GMO crops FYI, I don't believe shutting down and making seed cleaning illegal is fair. I understand on a scientific principle how hard it is to patent a seed and have it contaminated with non gm crops. Like I said Monsanto is great or evil company depending on who you are. I refuse to buy organic food from a store and will only at a market if I can talk to the people who actually produce it and not a salesman. (love to have this job though) I know too many farmers and loopholes they do to "organically" grow food. Visiting real organic farms and not the hippie communes is a joke, farmers will straight tell you the quality is shit compared to crops grown around the organic field acting as barriers for pests.

Graduating with a degree in Agriculture Technology Management and Education; I wrote too many damn lesson plans on bioethical issues in agriculture.

Okay, sounds good. I don't remember reading/hearing about it being illegal to clean seeds for growers, but thought small seed companies were doing this for customers on a contract basis when I was working with them. But it has been a while. The idea that small seed companies do not exist is laughable. And there are old professors or genetic experts running their own conventional seed firms out there even now. Sure, Monsanto is trying to buy some out, but then again a few are looking to retire anyway. (Heck, look at ASI.) Still, they make money with Corn States supplying their shit through those small guys too, so not likely to completely buy them all up.

Some of my family went all organic, but yeah - the reality of organic farming is laughable. Still can't hold a candle to people obsessed with cage free eggs or free range chickens... hilarious IMO. But I'll pay a premium for a nice Bison burger though.

[LBJefferies]

Yeah sure Monsanto has done good things by modifying crops to produce higher yields and be resistant to pesticides. But they have also done bad things with the combination of their terminator technology and their patents. They are a monopoly plain and simple.

[e30e]

Yeah sure Monsanto has done good things by modifying crops to produce higher yields and be resistant to pesticides. But they have also done bad things with the combination of their terminator technology and their patents. They are a monopoly plain and simple.

While I almost want to agree with you; spending a billion dollars on a seed that feeds the world deserves the rights to own it.

[rwh11385]

It's not the genetic modifications relating to yield and pesticide resistance that are the problem, it's the terminator technology and the patents that are the problem. Monsanto is a monopoly plain and simple.

Also, the philosophical idea that corporations have the right to patent living organisms is just absurd.

Dude, shut up you ignorant hippie ass. How are terminator seeds currently a problem? MON lost and they are not allowed. They moved on. (To Sugar Cane)

How are they a monopoly? They compete with DAS, Dupont, Syngenta, and Bayer, regionals, and independents. They may control specific genetic sequences, but competitors have similar ones (Liberty Link vs. Roundup Ready) as well as they are open to licensing them to other people. And so many people hate Monsanto, it is like marketing for new companies like GreenLeaf Genetics. (Many are open to using them, even if they don't have the hot ish like MON always)


If you want to bitch, do it about something half intelligent, like biodiversity concerns.

[markseven]

You put your hand over your heart when reciting the pledge of allegiance. You do not put your hand over your heart during the singing of the national anthem, which is when this photo was taken.

I didn't know that was the rule. At NASA events and baseball games, like sleeve mentioned, we put our right hand over our heart to in reverence.

That said, I think Mr. Obama looks foolish in that pic; as a Presidential hopeful he would have done well to show respect to our national anthem. Didn't he not wear a flag lapel pin or something like that?

[joshh]

Dude, shut up you ignorant hippie ass. How are terminator seeds currently a problem? MON lost and they are not allowed. They moved on. (To Sugar Cane)

How are they a monopoly? They compete with DAS, Dupont, Syngenta, and Bayer, regionals, and independents. They may control specific genetic sequences, but competitors have similar ones (Liberty Link vs. Roundup Ready) as well as they are open to licensing them to other people. And so many people hate Monsanto, it is like marketing for new companies like GreenLeaf Genetics. (Many are open to using them, even if they don't have the hot ish like MON always)


If you want to bitch, do it about something half intelligent, like biodiversity concerns.

Damn, you took care of this thread almost single handedly. That's seriously impressive you have the patience to hang in there to try to educate some more retarded lefties. Well done!!

[Ryan Stewart]

Damn, you took care of this thread almost single handedly. That's seriously impressive you have the patience to hang in there to try to educate some more retarded lefties. Well done!!

Its not impressive, its stupid. He could have spent his time doing something more productive like masturbation. Holmes is some form of semi-retarded meth offspring from the PNW. His opinions arent going to be swayed by silly shit like facts.

[ck_taft325is]

Its not impressive, its stupid. He could have spent his time doing something more productive like masturbation. Holmes is some form of semi-retarded meth offspring from the PNW. His opinions arent going to be swayed by silly shit like facts.

For some reason, this seems incredibly true.

[LBJefferies]

Its not impressive, its stupid. He could have spent his time doing something more productive like masturbation. Holmes is some form of semi-retarded meth offspring from the PNW. His opinions arent going to be swayed by silly shit like facts.

Haha. Seriously? Seriously? Where have I said something that was just plain stupid? I am not talking about something that you simply disagree with, but something that was illogical, irrational what have you. I challenge you to find a good example of this. You know damn well that I am pretty intelligent, otherwise you wouldn't get so defensive every time I said something that was contrary to your beliefs. The problem with you guys is that you are completely incapable of having a mature debate of any sort. Anytime someone responds or objects to something that you say, you automatically start the name calling and put downs. Part of having a constructive debate is being able to entertain contrary ideas which are presented to you, even if they are easily refuted, and then responding to them. Grow the fuck up man.

Heeter, I did not realize that the terminator technology was not commercialized so I will go ahead and retract that from what I said. But my point still stands about the patents which are a form of monopolization. The patents and Monsanto's aggressive attitude towards them are forcing small farmers out of business or forcing them to buy Monsanto seeds because any contamination whatsoever is considered patent infringement. There are tons of cases of this happening. It is just plain unethical.