California School sends 5 students home for wearing American Flag on Cinco de Mayo

[rwh11385]

Totally wrong. Completely and utterly misinformed. This is a worldwide epidemic. Farmers are not allowed to reuse their OWN seeds from their OWN crops. Most plants produce seeds which can be replanted to produce more crops, but because gov't DEREGULATION was involved, patents were allowed to be assessed and now any seeds produced after the fact are the property of the seed company not the farmers. This drives up costs and makes food more expensive.

No. You are ignorant. Yes they can. Farmers are perfectly able to grow their own seed corn and then plant it and keep this going. And produce more than they need and sell to others. I've dealt with these guys and there are many success small family businesses around which do this.

If you don't want to pay technology fees, then don't use seed traits which are patented - easy. Don't bitch about not being able to reuse seeds that a company developed and do it on your own.

Is it fair for a company to develop technology and high yield genetics and then only be reimbursed for their work once? No. If you want to grow your own seed, then stick to old school seeds and don't deal with it. Easy.

The big ag companies can only drive up costs if people use them, and they only use them when there is a benefit. The largest seed company always gives the farmer a portion of the value created by the technology so that it doesn't drive costs up in the end at all. Since with the extra $, yields also increase or risk decreases.

No one is forcing farmers to buy high tech traits. You can still buy conventional and grow your own seed, or have someone else do it for you for a little.

[Norwegiandane]

Actually, the reason illegals get work here is because dumbass liberal politicians put minimum wage laws in place which hurt everyone... except illegals that is. It puts the people it is told to help out of work and then raises the prices of goods for everyone. It especially hurts unskilled teenager part time workers, who get outsourced by technology or other efficiency measures to eliminate their cost which is greater than their benefit.

If people were able to work for a little as they were, then there would less opportunity for them to take jobs others could do but cannot legally because of laws passed that outlaw $5/hour work.

You can thank Liberals for wage and benefit laws. You can thank them for making sure you are paid overtime, that your goods aren't made by children and that the food you eat and the liquids you drink have some reasonable degree of safety instead of none at all.

Dumbass liberals as you put it have done more to protect your job then you obviously care to admit or comprehend. The reason we have unions is because of rampant abuse by employers and their willingness to threaten someone with their job if they don't comply.

[Norwegiandane]

No. You are ignorant. Yes they can. Farmers are perfectly able to grow their own seed corn and then plant it and keep this going. And produce more than they need and sell to others. I've dealt with these guys and there are many success small family businesses around which do this.

If you don't want to pay technology fees, then don't use seed traits which are patented - easy. Don't bitch about not being able to reuse seeds that a company developed and do it on your own.

Is it fair for a company to develop technology and high yield genetics and then only be reimbursed for their work once? No. If you want to grow your own seed, then stick to old school seeds and don't deal with it. Easy.

The big ag companies can only drive up costs if people use them, and they only use them when there is a benefit. The largest seed company always gives the farmer a portion of the value created by the technology so that it doesn't drive costs up in the end at all. Since with the extra $, yields also increase or risk decreases.

No one is forcing farmers to buy high tech traits. You can still buy conventional and grow your own seed, or have someone else do it for you for a little.

You are talking about heirloom seeds, and because of seed patenting by Monsanto, these are no longer available. Even farmers who don't use Monsanto seeds can be sued for using seeds that cross pollinated with their own.

[rwh11385]

Totally wrong. Completely and utterly misinformed. This is a worldwide epidemic. Farmers are not allowed to reuse their OWN seeds from their OWN crops. Most plants produce seeds which can be replanted to produce more crops, but because gov't DEREGULATION was involved, patents were allowed to be assessed and now any seeds produced after the fact are the property of the seed company not the farmers. This drives up costs and makes food more expensive.

I forgot to mention:

Corporations aren't the epidemic, ignorant lefties like you are. I wish people would turn off their liberal media bullshit and get their heads out of their ass long enough to realize that eating at Whole Foods and trying to punish the big ag companies won't save the world, but ultimately help to starve people elsewhere. We need higher yields, drought tolerance, and more efficient practices (low or no till) to be able to feed everyone in the world soon enough and in order to create that technology, there needs to be technology fees.

You can thank Liberals for wage and benefit laws. You can thank them for making sure you are paid overtime, that your goods aren't made by children and that the food you eat and the liquids you drink have some reasonable degree of safety instead of none at all.

Dumbass liberals as you put it have done more to protect your job then you obviously care to admit or comprehend. The reason we have unions is because of rampant abuse by employers and their willingness to threaten someone with their job if they don't comply.

Yes, let's thank unions for GM's success story and other great inefficiencies in the nation. Maybe in times of the industrial revolution we have such efforts to thank, but going further is running business into the ground. Progressivism is a disease.

Who do we have to thank for the corporate tax rate not being lowered? You speak ill of companies moving work offshore but seem to ignore it is because the tax rate is chasing them away, along with your beloved liberal policies. Why do located here when you could go to the business-friendly Singapore?

[rwh11385]

You are talking about heirloom seeds, and because of seed patenting by Monsanto, these are no longer available. Even farmers who don't use Monsanto seeds can be sued for using seeds that cross pollinated with their own.

Those cases are oversold by the media. Yes, some canola farmer in Canada lost to big bad Monsanto and it seemed unfair and probably was, but he was still benefits from the technology even if he said he didn't intend to.

But do the growers who make the crops for natural / no GMO foods pay Monsanto anything? No. Can a farmer have a conventional farm with no traits and not pay them anything? Yes. It is still available, unless you're a dumbshit who has read one too many blogs from uninformed hippies.

[e30e]

Those cases are oversold by the media. Yes, some canola farmer in Canada lost to big bad Monsanto and it seemed unfair and probably was, but he was still benefits from the technology even if he said he didn't intend to.

But do the growers who make the crops for natural / no GMO foods pay Monsanto anything? No. Can a farmer have a conventional farm with no traits and not pay them anything? Yes. It is still available, unless you're a dumbshit who has read one too many blogs from uninformed hippies.

Do you actually farm at all? Have you taken any classes on crop production, soil fertility, plant genetics, or agriculture economics? Because your spitting a lot of words out your ass. Monsanto has shut done 95% all seed cleaning companies, if you ever plan on using seed collected from harvest good luck cleaning or finding someone to clean it BECAUSE ITS AGAINST THE LAW.

Sure if you planting less than an acre in your back yard your not going to get caught but if your trying do more than an acre consistently, your going to get caught. Monsanto is a great company and evil company it just depends on what issue your dealing with.

[mrsleeve]

I think I will leave this little item right here

Tracy Hathaway, of Salinas, CA, told FOX News Radio her 13-year-old daughter was ordered to stop drawing the American flag and start another project at Gavilan View Middle School.

“She had drawn the flag and was sketching the letters, ‘God bless America,’ when the teacher confronted her,” Hathaway told FOX. “She said, ‘You can’t draw that – that’s offensive.’”

Even more striking, another student in the same art class drew a picture of President Obama and was praised by the teacher.

“The picture of Barack Obama was in red, white and blue hues,” Hathaway said. “ The teacher said it was great. But when it comes to the flag – all of a sudden it was offensive?”

rest is here

http://www.thefoxnation.com/american-flag/2010/05/10/teacher-deems-american-flag-offensive

[Norwegiandane]

Those cases are oversold by the media. Yes, some canola farmer in Canada lost to big bad Monsanto and it seemed unfair and probably was, but he was still benefits from the technology even if he said he didn't intend to.

But do the growers who make the crops for natural / no GMO foods pay Monsanto anything? No. Can a farmer have a conventional farm with no traits and not pay them anything? Yes. It is still available, unless you're a dumbshit who has read one too many blogs from uninformed hippies.

Yeah a local farmer her in Kentucky can grow for him or herself and maybe a farmers market once in a while. It's the big farms that feed the whole country that are effected by the unfair patent process.

"Facts are stupid things" Pres. Ronald Reagan. Seems to me that the conservatives in this country do more and are more willing to do harm to their constituents then most liberals. Maybe if you turned off Rush, Hannity, and Beck, and spend a little time in a library you may learn a thing or two. Good luck with that.

[markseven]

I think I will leave this little item right here



rest is here
http://www.thefoxnation.com/american...flag-offensive

[mrsleeve]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Yeah I know, some times a Pic is worth more than 1000 words

Yeah a local farmer her in Kentucky can grow for him or herself and maybe a farmers market once in a while. It's the big farms that feed the whole country that are effected by the unfair patent process.

"Facts are stupid things" Pres. Ronald Reagan. Seems to me that the conservatives in this country do more and are more willing to do harm to their constituents then most liberals. Maybe if you turned off Rush, Hannity, and Beck, and spend a little time in a library you may learn a thing or two. Good luck with that.

You do get that we would not be able to feed the country and the world with out the newer high yield trait crops for production farming right!!!


I grew up on farm, this is something I know a little bit about.

Farmers buy it because they can get more production outta a given amount of ground, and make more money. You see with the HUGE cost of farming in general Equipment, Fuel, seed, growing aids, land the list goes on and on. The framer is looking for any advantage he can get in his production cycle, and the cost Vs benefit of buying High yield seed tailored to the particular, growing conditions where the farm is located is just that good. The requirements for ND are very different than IA.

You see Farming is a High risk mediocre return venture, You can have 5mil in assets to make 10% of that at the end of the year, or you may lose 25% depending on how the weather is, the markets, and how good your yield is. A bad frost in late may can cost you 1/2 million dollars with almost no way to recuperate that loss till the next growing season. A good hail storm in July can destroy you entire crop as well, I have seen Hail beat 7foot tall corn into nothing and break 1000's of ac off at the roots, and turn beans into pulp. Thats a loss into the 10's of millions form just one storm spread between 20-30 farms. That was one very lean winter for all of us, and a couple of farms folded due to that.

Yes a farmer can raise his own seed corn for fucks sake, I spent one summer as tassel cutter on a seed corn farm in SW mi as a kid. There is so much ground that is put into seed corn there its not even funny, some of it is for the big commercial growers. The guy I worked for, grew his own seed for the next year and also sold to many of the other local farmers for conventional crop, to feed to live stock.

The big farmers use the patented seed because its beneficial for them to use as the benefit far out weighs the cost. They dont have to use the shit, but then if they didnt You would see FOOD PRICES SKY ROCKET due to shortage of supply. We are already seeing this with Corn production being subsidized for Ethanol production. This means what ever comes off that ground cant be used for Food production in any way, Ie, your cereal, or feed for you Beef, or Chickens.


Oh BTW I read plenty of books

[ck_taft325is]

Yeah a local farmer her in Kentucky can grow for him or herself and maybe a farmers market once in a while. It's the big farms that feed the whole country that are effected by the unfair patent process.

"Facts are stupid things" Pres. Ronald Reagan. Seems to me that the conservatives in this country do more and are more willing to do harm to their constituents then most liberals. Maybe if you turned off Rush, Hannity, and Beck, and spend a little time in a library you may learn a thing or two. Good luck with that.

Your Ronald Reagan quote is funny because I see a lot of "facts" here that are contradicting themselves and seem a bit stupid.

Either and BOTH sides need to realize that there's two sides to this coin and both have to acknowledge that they need each other, each as valid points and both have areas they are strong in. The idealistic philosophy that either side is "more correct" than the other is fucking stupid. But for a Liberal to talk 'ish about how heartless and unfair the Republican's are when in reality, life is just that - unfair, is silly none sense. For Republican's to spout off about how stupid and illogical the Democratic/Liberals are when failing to see that truly helping those genuinely in need and this may, or should I say probably will result in abuse of a program or two is ironically dumb and short sighted. It's easy to throw stones from across the battle field of ideals but really, neither side has said a damn good thing about how to fix this while not neglecting the core needs of what both or either side truly need. I'll go further than what either "side" needs and lean more on what this Country, this People, this Economy, needs.

On topic, some of the stupid people on both sides have said stupid shit. Fact, this American flag ordeal needs to be better handled. The points and reasons stated for why those five kids got sent home was WRONG. Flat out wrong. The post by Sleeve in regards to the American flag with "God Bless America" being "offensive" made me fucking sick. That's disgusting on ANY level and either Liberal, Democrat, Republican, Christian, Athiest or otherwise should be drastically offended by a statement as such.

The truth is we, human beings, cannot solve this human condition. We have to keep trying, but argueing ideologies isn't getting anyone anywhere.

I'm done.

[Norwegiandane]

You put your hand over your heart when reciting the pledge of allegiance. You do not put your hand over your heart during the singing of the national anthem, which is when this photo was taken.

[Norwegiandane]

Oh BTW I read plenty of books

Then you won't mind reading a little here:

http://www.organicconsumers.org/ge/terminate.cfm

http://money.cnn.com/2010/05/06/news/companies/monsanto_patent.fortune/

http://www.no-patents-on-seeds.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1&Itemid=27

Corn fed beef and chicken is dangerous and unhealthy to the animal and for consumption. Good farmers know this.

[mrsleeve]

Then you won't mind reading a little here:

http://www.organicconsumers.org/ge/terminate.cfm

http://money.cnn.com/2010/05/06/news/companies/monsanto_patent.fortune/

http://www.no-patents-on-seeds.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1&Itemid=27

Corn fed beef and chicken is dangerous and unhealthy to the animal and for consumption. Good farmers know this.

UMMMMMMM DURRRRR

all depends on what you are raising it for when you need them to put on weight fast for sale and raising for production en mass then you corn feed with high protein feeds. And no you dont feed straight corn silage is the the main feed if you keep them in a lot, if not they they are turned out on pasture. If you are raising for the High quality specialty markets, the Hippie Organic crowd in CA or for your self then you grass feed and then pour the corn to them about 2-3 weeks before you take em to the butcher to get a little fat on them.

The problem you get when you are going with high protein feeds is when you get some that had up to the 10% allowed by law of Animal byproducts in the feed. Thats where you really run into issues.

You have never set foot on a farm before have you????

For that matter you dont seem to have been to a Base ball game or a race or other sporting event where the national anthem is sung have you. Everyone has their hat off and over their heart. SO again a Pic is worth a 1000 words

here is another one

[LBJefferies]

So Obama isn't a nationalist? Good!