Israel just doesn't get it...

[sonnyqm3]

[QUOTE=E30Kaiser;2039489]For the first part I agree with what you say, I am Christian, but I incorporate a lot of Jewish and Muslim beliefs and ethics into my faith, and I agree that the Koran is the only non-altered book.

Finally, I don't know why the Jews get shitted on everywhere they go, seems like being God's chosen people isn't really working out that well for them. Maybe they are getting theirs for turning their back on God so many times,



I like what you wrote here.

Try to find this book called the gospel of Barnabus. Its a great book and written by one of the 13 deciples of Jesus.

[E30Kaiser]

I am a moderate muslim from Afghanistan that was raised here in U.S and have friends from all race, religion and color. I respect, well muslims respect and believe in the 4 books. Although only 3 exist, the Torah, the Bible and the Koran. The only book that has never been altered is the Koran since the original one still exist, unlike the Torah or the Bible that has been altered as most will agree and has jewsih twist to it since it was written by jews. Right? Now what I dont get is this and still trying to fugure out, how many people/Christians agree or have read that jews killed Jesus???

If the jews killed Jesus then why are Christians so cool with Jews. I mean I wouldnt be so happy with them if they killed my savior!!! He was killed by Judah right??? Then they say the Romans killed him then why the fuck is there a religion called the Roman Catholics, I believe the Romans at one time wanted the Bible only in Latin. Right??> Then the Germans finally said fuk that and then they the Lutheran came out with their version. Right??? Then I guess the English said hey well why not us do the same and write it in English...

This is what I learned growing up as a muslim. I love and respect everyone from all races,religion and color. Adam,Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Mohammed are all great prophets of the Almighty god or Allah as we muslims call him. I respect the torah, the Bible and believe in the Koran. I believe in judgment day and that Jesus will be the savior for the believers. We are here for a test and we all have choices to do what we want to do. But at the same time we are given Laws, which are carried out in the books that were given to the prophets by the almighty. The books were to teach the people good and bad. If you know the difference then you must pay for your wrong. So basically this is just some example of how most muslims are taught and raised.


One more thing I dont get, why is that Jews always had a problem wherever they lived or went. I mean call me stupid but fuk everywhere they went there was a problem. Can anyone explain that to me, I really want to know.

For the first part I agree with what you say, I am Christian, but I incorporate a lot of Jewish and Muslim beliefs and ethics into my faith, and I agree that the Koran is the only non-altered book.

As for hating the Jews because they killed Christ, I think that is pretty simple, it isn't very moral to hate all Jews because of the death of Christ, hell some would even thank them for it as Jesus had to die in order to fulfill his lot in life as the suffering Messiah. Even the guy that stabbed Jesus with a spear, Longinus, is revered as a Saint by the Catholics.

Finally, I don't know why the Jews get shitted on everywhere they go, seems like being God's chosen people isn't really working out that well for them. Maybe they are getting theirs for turning their back on God so many times, but regardless they always seem to pull through, which is more than you can say for a lot of other groups of people that went through genocide, slavery, etc for 3000 years, so maybe God is on their side, who knows.

[sonnyqm3]

just asking

they are all over the net. check youtube and google.


I am a moderate muslim from Afghanistan that was raised here in U.S and have friends from all race, religion and color. I respect, well muslims respect and believe in the 4 books. Although only 3 exist, the Torah, the Bible and the Koran. The only book that has never been altered is the Koran since the original one still exist, unlike the Torah or the Bible that has been altered as most will agree and has jewsih twist to it since it was written by jews. Right? Now what I dont get is this and still trying to fugure out, how many people/Christians agree or have read that jews killed Jesus???

If the jews killed Jesus then why are Christians so cool with Jews. I mean I wouldnt be so happy with them if they killed my savior!!! He was killed by Judah right??? Then they say the Romans killed him then why the fuck is there a religion called the Roman Catholics, I believe the Romans at one time wanted the Bible only in Latin. Right??> Then the Germans finally said fuk that and then they the Lutheran came out with their version. Right??? Then I guess the English said hey well why not us do the same and write it in English...

This is what I learned growing up as a muslim. I love and respect everyone from all races,religion and color. Adam,Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Mohammed are all great prophets of the Almighty god or Allah as we muslims call him. I respect the torah, the Bible and believe in the Koran. I believe in judgment day and that Jesus will be the savior for the believers. We are here for a test and we all have choices to do what we want to do. But at the same time we are given Laws, which are carried out in the books that were given to the prophets by the almighty. The books were to teach the people good and bad. If you know the difference then you must pay for your wrong. So basically this is just some example of how most muslims are taught and raised.


One more thing I dont get, why is that Jews always had a problem wherever they lived or went. I mean call me stupid but fuk everywhere they went there was a problem. Can anyone explain that to me, I really want to know.

[E30Kaiser]

Yeah, I have heard of the Rothchilds but don't know much about them beyond their banking empire and the fact that they were Jewish. I wouldn't mind learning more if you have a link, or book, or something.

[sonnyqm3]

To piggy back on this idea, almost all of the countries in the Middle East were "Given" to the people in power there now by the British or French. Few people shit on Saudi Arabia for being controlled by a royal family propped up by a religious minority, so why all the hate on Israel?

Do you know who's idea it was to put the European Jews in Israel? Have you heard of a family called the Rotchilds.

Palestinian Muslims in reality dont have a problem with the Israelis who have lived with them in Palestine for 4000 yrs. They were never the problem, its the european jews who came and fucked everything up. Why dont they go and take revenge on the Germans. Fuck arent they the one who killed and put the jews in concentration camps. The Palestinian freakin gave them a place to live in peace until they started taking over all their land.

I am not an Arab and dont really care too much for them to be honest. But I do feel bad for what those Palestinians go through in their own land.

[E30Kaiser]

So your point, Lee, is that Israel has no rightful claim to where they are right now? It was given to them as someone pointed out after WW2. Again, if I'm wrong on what you're getting at, please, clear it up for me a bit. I'm still not 100%.

To piggy back on this idea, almost all of the countries in the Middle East were "Given" to the people in power there now by the British or French. Few people shit on Saudi Arabia for being controlled by a royal family propped up by a religious minority, so why all the hate on Israel?

[ck_taft325is]

So your point, Lee, is that Israel has no rightful claim to where they are right now? It was given to them as someone pointed out after WW2. Again, if I'm wrong on what you're getting at, please, clear it up for me a bit. I'm still not 100%.

[E30Kaiser]

If 10 or the 12 tirbes of Israel have been dessimated in one single place, Mount Meggedon, by Assyrians, they must have been a pretty small "ethny" not covering that whole Fertile Crescent. And, if Jews indeed came from the Fertile Crescent, why not claim Iraq, Iran, Egypt, Kuwait, Turkey, Armenia and Jordan too? ;-)

The first part is correct, they were a small group of people, moving from the Northern Tigris and looking for the land God told them was their's after being enslaved for so long, and they found it in Israel. Hence why they don't claim all those other places.

[Aptyp]

^working on it... but some politically correct, whiny, liberal bitches won't stop crying.




But you're still missing the point of that land legally being given to Israel after WWII. Nothing else matters.

[Massive Lee]

The Fertile Crescent.

If 10 or the 12 tirbes of Israel have been dessimated in one single place, Mount Meggedon, by Assyrians, they must have been a pretty small "ethny" not covering that whole Fertile Crescent. And, if Jews indeed came from the Fertile Crescent, why not claim Iraq, Iran, Egypt, Kuwait, Turkey, Armenia and Jordan too? ;-)

[Aptyp]

Actually, Lee, there's more to suggest that people populated Palestine and crescent before Arabia... I am beginning to think that US public schools are somewhat ahead of Canadia.

[E30Kaiser]

Sooooo. Where did Jews come from 2800 years ago? It seems you need to get out of your fairy tales.

The Fertile Crescent.

[sonnyqm3]

Well, let's say you are indeed an American, with your 2800 years old ancestors from Poland. Would you go back to Poland and claim that land as yours?

Real good point there lee.

By the way jews and muslims are first cousins since they are from the same family. They are the children Ismail and Isaac, ask any muslim or jew and they will agree to that.

The reason why the jews seperated from the arabs or didnt accept Muhammed pbuh. Because he was not from the same roots as the rest of the prophets. If you read/research, you will see he was the only non Yahud compare to the rest of the prophets.

So yes muslims and jews from that part of the world are blood related. If you see a real Israeli jew you will never know whether he is an Arab muslim or an Arab Jew.

[Massive Lee]

That is a bullshit argument, there are many ways to define Arab, and none of them include the Israelites. They don't speak Arab, they aren't from the Arabia, and they are not descended from one of the Arab tribes. So how are you defining them as Arab beyond the fact that they live next to Arabs?

Sooooo. Where did Jews come from 2800 years ago? It seems you need to get out of your fairy tales.

[Massive Lee]

I'm from everywhere around the globe. But you know what I call myself? American.

Well, let's say you are indeed an American, with your 2800 years old ancestors from Poland. Would you go back to Poland and claim that land as yours?