Occupy Wall Street

[!kid]

If you think our political and monetary system is sustainable, we are headed down a baaaaad road. And as jobs go, think of it this way, go to any department store, grocery store, or just about any where for that matter you'll notice that computer automation is taking away jobs that would typically be done with physical labor. It's a no brainer that our population is growing quite fast, as we keep progressing technologically mor and more jobs will be come automated leaving our ever growing population jobless. There are only so many poop scooping,fuel stinking,burger flipping, low paying jobs to go around.

But what do I know, I am just a low class American working, busting my ass, paying off school loans, credit cards,and for all that interest to go right into some rich dudes CD savings account. Hahah.

[5ickride]

Well said.

[Vedubin01]

But what do I know, I am just a low class American working, busting my ass, paying off school loans, credit cards,and for all that interest to go right into some rich dudes CD savings account. Hahah.

That rich dude, and his CD savings account did not force you to use credit cards nor student loans.

[5ickride]

That rich dude, and his CD savings account did not force you to use credit cards nor student loans.

Not forced, but maybe pressured? (Long read)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/14/goldman-sachs-for-profit-college_n_997409.html?page=1&ref=fb&src=sp&comm_ref=false

cliff notes: Once Goldman Sachs got involved in the student loan programs the atmosphere changed into a sell, sell, sell attitude predicating on peoples fears, failures, and shortcomings. Its also no coincidence that it was announced this morning that studen loans are at an all time high in defaults surpassing credit cards.

[Vedubin01]

the ultimate decision still comes down to you. You knew what you were getting into or should have if you were going to sign your name. You cant blame that on anyone but yourself.

[mrsleeve]

That rich dude, and his CD savings account did not force you to use credit cards nor student loans.

This

the ultimate decision still comes down to you. You knew what you were getting into or should have if you were going to sign your name. You cant blame that on anyone but yourself.

That.



Other wise known as Personal RESPONSIBILITY. Just because you fuck up and take on too much debt does not make it mine or the tax payers problems. You singed on the doted line, it your fuck up you fix it.

[5ickride]

True that. But still seems wrong to try and shove a student loan down someones throat. If people want to go to school let them apply for a loan on their own, not the other way around.

[joshh]

True that. But still seems wrong to try and shove a student loan down someones throat. If people want to go to school let them apply for a loan on their own, not the other way around.

You accepted the responsibility of that loan and the repayment no matter what the interest or conditions around it. Same goes for the American housing bubble. So many people buying homes when they know they can't afford them. They knew how much it was going to cost each month regardless of the sales person or bank (and thanks to Freddie and Fannie).
This is the exact problem we have these days, personal responsibility is simply lacking.

There will always be another person in better financial condition than you. Just because of that simple fact, does not make it right to take their money when you aren't the one that earned it.....because you feel it "isn't fair".

[NKRoberts]

True that. But still seems wrong to try and shove a student loan down someones throat. If people want to go to school let them apply for a loan on their own, not the other way around.

it's also wrong to blame other people for your problems. lots of the OWS people seem like whiners.

[TurboJake]

Go to any department store, grocery store, or just about any where for that matter you'll notice that computer automation is taking away jobs that would typically be done with physical labor.

And fun fact. If your the guy/girl that's designing, programming and installing said automation equipment, such as myself, or automated programs to keep track of inventory, etc.

If you want a job, It takes about a week to land one.

;)

[herbivor]

it's also wrong to blame other people for your problems. lots of the OWS people seem like whiners.

Agreed. However, I don't think people are blaming millionaires for being millionaires. I think they are protesting the corruption that exists between the corporations and government. The unfortunate thing about the protest is the image that the protestors are portraying as well as the lack of a solid, defined, message or solution. It's not dissimilar to the Tea Party crazies and their initial protests.

One thing that I think everyone can agree on, left and right, is that the wealth gap is as bad as it's ever been and our current system of governance is not working in a positive direction to close that gap. We are ranked somewhere in the bottom third amongst some second and third world countries and below Iran and Uganda. The welfare capitalist Scandinavian countries are amongst the more equally distributed. Hmm. I wonder what they are doing right? https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat.../2172rank.html

[joshh]

Agreed. However, I don't think people are blaming millionaires for being millionaires. I think they are protesting the corruption that exists between the corporations and government. The unfortunate thing about the protest is the image that the protestors are portraying as well as the lack of a solid, defined, message or solution. It's not dissimilar to the Tea Party crazies and their initial protests.

One thing that I think everyone can agree on, left and right, is that the wealth gap is as bad as it's ever been and our current system of governance is not working in a positive direction to close that gap. We are ranked somewhere in the bottom third amongst some second and third world countries and below Iran and Uganda. The welfare capitalist Scandinavian countries are amongst the more equally distributed. Hmm. I wonder what they are doing right? https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat.../2172rank.html

Why is the gap the problem and not just the wrongs associated with politicians kissing corporation's asses?
I could care less about the gap in and of itself. It's just pure jealousy.

[!kid]

the ultimate decision still comes down to you. You knew what you were getting into or should have if you were going to sign your name. You cant blame that on anyone but yourself.

We don't have much of a choice at least people who are in the same financial state my fam is in. In order to get that education you have to have money. Very few people can pay out right. My father is entering his 60 soon and still has to do hard labor(construction) every day of his life. In the past few years he has come very close to be homeless. He has put in countless number of aplications with very little outcome. Not many employers want to hire older people. My mother in her late 50s works 18-20 Hour days on a grave yard shift and makes only 45ish K a year. And because of the rise in technology people are buying less of the products her job offers. In the next year she may no longer have a job. And could very well end up loosing her home.

I guess it's there Own fault though. It has nothing to do with any 1% taking all of the countries wealth. It's got nothing to do with companies outsourcing jobs to other countries, It has nothing to do with our social problems in this country, it has nothing to do with racism or classism. It can't possible be any of that. This country is so great! And it's so easy to just go out and put some hard work in and land that great paying job with wonderful health benefits. It's so easy! Why should we protest? Life is so great! Homeless people are not real, their is no such thing as poverty in the good ol USA, oh no! Every person on this planet has the ability to work hard and live the American dream!!!
It's the individuals fault. Yeah capitalism!!! Wahoooo!

[Morrison]

Exactly. We should all take an example from Jim Carrey in "Liar Liar" and kick our own asses. Self-loathing is the American way. It will motivate you to go out and get 2 or 3 extra jobs on top of your normal day job. Then you can look down on anyone who is struggling and refer to them as lazy and worthless. This will create pride to counteract all that self hatred you were doing in step one. See the logic here? Now go be a good little pod person.

[NKRoberts]

I guess it's there Own fault though. It has nothing to do with any 1% taking all of the countries wealth. It's got nothing to do with companies outsourcing jobs to other countries, It has nothing to do with our social problems in this country, it has nothing to do with racism or classism. It can't possible be any of that. This country is so great! And it's so easy to just go out and put some hard work in and land that great paying job with wonderful health benefits. It's so easy! Why should we protest? Life is so great! Homeless people are not real, their is no such thing as poverty in the good ol USA, oh no! Every person on this planet has the ability to work hard and live the American dream!!!
It's the individuals fault. Yeah capitalism!!! Wahoooo!