Global Warming is over.

[ForcedFirebird]

We, humans, are smaller than we think.

Much smaller. Didn't Hunga Tonga event release something like a year's worth of carbon in 12 hours?

[MrBurgundy]

china and india both have more than a billion citizens each. right next to each other (incidentally, with an interesting conflict zone between them that almost nobody talks about), on the same continent. that doesn't demonstrate population density?

neither country has something equivalent to our EPA. so multiply a quarter of the world's population by lack of regulation. that's the reason asia as a continent is a major contributor to the issue.

again, i'm not suggesting any of us as individuals can do anything about it, other than please don't throw a big-block chevy with a weiand blower into a diesel BMW and run it on the street just because it's smog-exempt and you can.

In response to the big block chevy comment;

My main gripe with that is, the amount of people that would actually do that is so small, it probably wont have any long lasting negative effects.

So many people want EVs, the market is moving that way for commuter cars on it's own. What sucks is that the gov doesn't want anyone to be in a gas car anymore.

If the car market was left alone, most people will gravitate towards it because it makes sense for most people.. Let me drive my e30s without having to go through a more and more difficult time keeping it on the road.

In response to the India/China comment.

Yeah I get that, but the area of those two countries combined is 2.3% of the total world's surface area, and you could boil that number down too, because like what forcedfirebird said, they still have open country. To think that they can along with all the other countries, which combined is still small fraction of the earth can have that affect doesn't seem likely.

We, humans, are smaller than we think.

[ForcedFirebird]

china and india both have more than a billion citizens each. right next to each other (incidentally, with an interesting conflict zone between them that almost nobody talks about), on the same continent. that doesn't demonstrate population density?

Yeah, but population density is similar, something like 95% of Chinese live on 40% of the land mass - huge swaths of uninhabited (and even uninhabitable) land. Technically, the populations aren't "right next to each other". China pop is all far East, India's heavy pop is quite south/west of the border - which in itself is difficult to cross (The Karakoram).

[decay]

antarctica has permanent settlements. i'm active on another forum that has members there.

arite you got me. i did love reading that "bigdeadplace" blog before the dude monetized it by turning it into a book. but the discussion here is about populations at scale and how that contributes to climate change, not a few villiages like McMurdo on the ice.

having to hike a few more hundred more meters up the hill every year to set another marker must have been some shit, though, so respect for doing that field work.

[decay]

I'm just saying that the world is massive. People are not spread out in dense numbers across the globe- not even close.. It's hard to believe that people concentrated in relatively small areas can affect an entire planets climate in an irreparable way.

china and india both have more than a billion citizens each. right next to each other (incidentally, with an interesting conflict zone between them that almost nobody talks about), on the same continent. that doesn't demonstrate population density?

neither country has something equivalent to our EPA. so multiply a quarter of the world's population by lack of regulation. that's the reason asia as a continent is a major contributor to the issue.

again, i'm not suggesting any of us as individuals can do anything about it, other than please don't throw a big-block chevy with a weiand blower into a diesel BMW and run it on the street just because it's smog-exempt and you can.

[82eye]

uhm excuse me but what part of the world other than antarctica is uninhabited?

https://ourworldindata.org/world-population-growth

antarctica has permanent settlements. i'm active on another forum that has members there.

[MrBurgundy]

okay- and how does any of that support your assertion?

I'm just saying that the world is massive. People are not spread out in dense numbers across the globe- not even close.. It's hard to believe that people concentrated in relatively small areas can affect an entire planets climate in an irreparable way.

[ForcedFirebird]

8bn is a guesstimate. We can't even get the US census within 6%, so that's a margin error of almost 20m here alone. Imagine the miscounting that goes on in other countries. If we extrapolate the US error globally, that translates to almost a .5bn sway in actual numbers.

I kinda see what you are saying MrBurgundy. The world is a lot larger than perceived due to transportation and communication. If I were to walk out of my house and head due east, would would be in civilization for about an hour (~2.5miles). Then in the wilderness/glades for about 75mi with only two country roads between. But, If I go the other direction, it would be single family homes, then shopping centers, apt complexes, then more industrial, then inter-coastal and beaches, all within 10mi.

[decay]

http://metrocosm.com/more-population-maps/

https://www.un.org/en/un-chronicle/g...lion-then-what

okay- and how does any of that support your assertion?

[MrBurgundy]

uhm excuse me but what part of the world other than antarctica is uninhabited?

https://ourworldindata.org/world-population-growth

http://metrocosm.com/more-population-maps/

https://www.un.org/en/un-chronicle/global-population-will-soon-reach-8-billion-then-what

[decay]

Yup

There may be 8 billion people, but the world is widely uninhabited and vast. To think that we have that kind of affect on a planet is.. honestly unbelievable.

uhm excuse me but what part of the world other than antarctica is uninhabited?

https://ourworldindata.org/world-population-growth

[82eye]

i spent a decade in the cdn rockies around the glaciers. they are the canary in the coal mine. the last 8yrs i was there we lost more glacier than in the previous 100yrs. we use stakes to mark where the edge was at each passing year.

[MrBurgundy]

Root cause of climate change. Hmm. If I was to approach it the way I do most things, I would say that if humanity thinks they really have a play on terraforming, I got news for you. Humans are narcissistic.

Yup

There may be 8 billion people, but the world is widely uninhabited and vast. To think that we have that kind of affect on a planet is.. honestly unbelievable.

Believing with any kind of confidence that the science models we have today can accurately explain what is happening (in terms of climate change), let alone say that us, humans are responsible is arrogant.

The first usable temperature recording on earth were IN 1880 LOL

My gut tells me this is all just a ploy for a larger and more capable government. Especially the fact that it's brewing on the left, who is painfully obvious about striving for a larger more powerful government.

People are so brainwashed into this shit to the point that if there is an opposing idea to what they believe to be true, they'll pull their hair and scream.

If you look at the whole package that comes with the climate change progressive folks, everything they believe in. It's mostly awful lol.

[ForcedFirebird]

Actually. I take that back. I did sign up on FB many years ago as "Forced Firebird" now just use it to post on the r3v page

[ForcedFirebird]

I haven't signed in FB since Mar 2020. I use insta for work because that can be neutral since it's just pics and a caption. Never had any others. Most of my "posts" are helping forum peeps and sending pics of pure sexy classic BMWs to clients via phone texts. :p