Global Warming is over.

[cale]

there are no viable alternatives

Guess we should dig more huh? Perhaps then we'll be able to find another non-renewable fuel to become dependent on, rather than investing in renewable ones which are available with proper investment by both government and individuals.

[gwb72tii]

Guess we should dig more huh? Perhaps then we'll be able to find another non-renewable fuel to become dependent on, rather than investing in renewable ones which are available with proper investment by both government and individuals.

great point and exactly what i was getting at with rwh
opportunity cost
how about using the $ wasted on wind and solar in the form of govt subsidies (assuming my taxes will be spent by the almighty fed govt) on research and development of alternatives and clean water?

what is the cost, in terms of human lives, if all you are wrong, and whatever warming there is will happen no matter what we do?
humans can go back to raising cattle in greenland and growing grapes in ireland

[rwh11385]

great point and exactly what i was getting at with rwh
opportunity cost
how about using the $ wasted on wind and solar in the form of govt subsidies (assuming my taxes will be spent by the almighty fed govt) on research and development of alternatives and clean water?

what is the cost, in terms of human lives, if all you are wrong, and whatever warming there is will happen no matter what we do?
humans can go back to raising cattle in greenland and growing grapes in ireland

Um did you forget that you also think (apparently) that humans influence global warming? Or were you just saying that to fit in?

What about wasted and unnecessary oil subsidies?

If you don't like America being competitive in energy by pursuing renewables, go write a letter to your Congress members under your whale oil lamp.

[rwh11385]

not so far, as there is no peak oil in sight, there are no viable alternatives, and good old market economics has lead the USA to reducing its carbon emissions because of fracking technology and our 100yr reserve of natural gas.

you really need to read more

Not so far but are you dumb enough to expect never?

Oil was once a new fangled alternate fuel that was (is still) subsidized by the government.

[Farbin Kaiber]

what is the cost, in terms of human lives, if all you are wrong, and whatever warming there is will happen no matter what we do?
humans can go back to raising cattle in greenland and growing grapes in ireland

But, the poor people we are supposed to balance our levels of material success living on the coastal areas of the earths landmasses will surely be pushed out of their homes, or drown.


Oh yeah, side benefit, the majority of liberals live in the coastal regions in the US.

[cale]

Well at least you're willing to admit a connection between being a liberal and having the intelligence to acknowledge AGW is a reality.

[Farbin Kaiber]

Well at least you're willing to admit a connection between being a liberal and having the intelligence to acknowledge AGW is a reality.

No, you'd think if liberals really believed in it, they would be moving from coastal regions as a preventative measure.

Possibility, yes, reality, no.

[cale]

No, you'd think if liberals really believed in it, they would be moving from coastal regions as a preventative measure.

Possibility, yes, reality, no.

Perhaps you'd think that if you choose to be that naive. By your logic people likely don't truly believe in earthquakes if they decide to make the west coast their home.

[Farbin Kaiber]

Well, from a liberal mindset, earthquakes are an act of nature, and global warming is an act of man, right? There is no way they could be both acts of nature, right?

You can't avoid a lightning strike, but you can stay out of a neighborhood that has lots of drive-by shootings, right?

[cale]

You're right, people die all the time due to rising sea levels in New York and LA. Why move to a place that offers everything you're looking for when it sees 0.5mm of sea level rise every year. Madness!

[Farbin Kaiber]

Well, not yet, but if we don't change our ways soon, all those places will be underwater, right? Isn't that about the jest of the party line everyone is playing whilst suckling upon the tip of good ole' Al Gore, the Father of These Here Internets?

Do liberals think FEMA is gonna come in and provide new locations for these displaced people because of all this climate warming?

[cale]

I like how I make one joke connecting AGW and liberals yet you seem to genuinely think the two are one in the same.

I'm flattered you connect intelligence with being a liberal, but you do realize that it's only a political topic amongst those who are motivated to abuse it for political gain right? No one here who believes AGW to be a reality or myth stands to gain any sort of power from their camp being right, yet you seem to be so brainwashed by your chosen media source that you're unable to grasp that some of us care because we want to know what's true and spark change if need be.

Accepting AGW as reality doesn't make me a liberal, nor does being a denier make you a conservative. It means I'm scientifically literate, that is independent from my political views.

Cheers bud, go read a book and try not to hurt yourself.

[nando]

Well, not yet, but if we don't change our ways soon, all those places will be underwater, right? Isn't that about the jest of the party line everyone is playing whilst suckling upon the tip of good ole' Al Gore, the Father of These Here Internets?

Do liberals think FEMA is gonna come in and provide new locations for these displaced people because of all this climate warming?

the marine facility we're building in the SF Bay area won't be underwater in 2065, but the refinery it's connected to probably will. ;)

[herbivor]

great point and exactly what i was getting at with rwh
opportunity cost
how about using the $ wasted on wind and solar in the form of govt subsidies (assuming my taxes will be spent by the almighty fed govt) on research and development of alternatives and clean water?

what is the cost, in terms of human lives, if all you are wrong, and whatever warming there is will happen no matter what we do?
humans can go back to raising cattle in greenland and growing grapes in ireland

If you think a warming planet will be great for agriculture and the human race as a whole then you are still buying the propaganda. No climate scientist believes the outcome a warming planet will be a good thing. The only place you can live where the climate will not be noticeably different 70 years from now is Hawaii. Good luck fitting 9 billion people there. To bad the islands will be a little smaller due to rising oceans.

[Fusion]

Egypt used to have fertile land. The Nile river used to reach all the way over to where the Great Pyramid stands today.
There are old maps that show the coastline (now under the ice) in Antarctica.
Go down to a rocky coast and look where the sea level was in the past.

The Earth has and will go through major changes that may not be convenient for human beings.
Originally, being able to "command the wind and rain" was a communist (Russian) propaganda that told the people the government was working on a way to be able to shape weather in a way to grow large crops etc. to provide free food to the whole population. Well we all know how well that ended.