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  • varg
    No R3VLimiter
    • May 2014
    • 3303

    #121
    Originally posted by CorvallisBMW
    Easy.

    1) Background checks required on ALL guns sales, period. You want to sell a gun? You have a responsibility to make sure that the person you're selling it to isn't forbidden by law from owning one. This fits in perfectly with your "responsible gun owner" theory.

    2) Licensing and training. Want to buy a gun? Fine. But you need to prove that you know the laws, know basic safety, and know basic operation. This is a machine designed specifically for killing people, it's not a teddy bear. Treat it with respect, understand it's risks.

    3) Limit on sales quantities. Want to buy a gun? OK. Want to buy two? Fine. Want to buy 50? Nope. Anyone buying 50 guns is trafficking, period. You can't use 50 guns for protection, or for hunting.

    4) Safe storage laws. You must keep your gun locked up or otherwise unavailable to to anyone who isn't you. Your kid grabs your loaded shotgun and blows away a neighbor? Guess what sweetheart, you're liable. It's a deadly weapon and shouldn't be easily accessible to everybody. Someone break in to your house and steal your locked gun? That's OK, you were following the law. No harm, no fowl.

    None of these laws would, in any way, infringe on anyone's right to own a firearm. You can still own guns, you can still go down to the range and pop off a few boxes, you can still go hunting. But with those rights come responsibility. Anyone who advocates for rights without responsibility is 1 temper tantrum away from being the next mass shooter.

    All of these laws have been put in place in other countries around the world, and all have them have been proven to reduce gun-related crime in every single instance. Oh and guess what? None of those countries subsequently fell under the rule of a tyrannical dictator, either

    This isn't theory, this isn't speculation, this isn't a "belief". These are facts, backed up by empirical, observable, and repeatable evidence. You can choose to ignore it all you want; that doesn't make it any less true.
    Your "solutions" are mostly unenforceable, and unlikely to do a thing to change the problem. Did you read my earlier post? You know there's a problem, but you don't know where it is.

    Hint: it's cultural and political, and actually has very little to do with the guns themselves.

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    • cale
      R3VLimited
      • Oct 2005
      • 2331

      #122
      Originally posted by CorvallisBMW
      Easy.

      1) Background checks required on ALL guns sales, period. You want to sell a gun? You have a responsibility to make sure that the person you're selling it to isn't forbidden by law from owning one. This fits in perfectly with your "responsible gun owner" theory.
      What about someone buying a second or third firearm, background check required? You're free to spend your tax dollars on arbitrary hoops which have already been crossed, don't expect others to be so welcome to this.

      2) Licensing and training. Want to buy a gun? Fine. But you need to prove that you know the laws, know basic safety, and know basic operation. This is a machine designed specifically for killing people, it's not a teddy bear. Treat it with respect, understand it's risks.
      No it's not, it's a tool designed to send a bullet in a particular direction. A rifle is designed to take down game, a target pistol is designed to punch holes in paper as an internationally sanctioned sport.

      Law abiding owners DO treat them with respect, criminals do not. Forcing those who already behave safely to go through additional lengths because it gives you, the ignoramus, peace of mind is nonsensical.

      3) Limit on sales quantities. Want to buy a gun? OK. Want to buy two? Fine. Want to buy 50? Nope. Anyone buying 50 guns is trafficking, period. You can't use 50 guns for protection, or for hunting.
      Care to elaborate on this beyond admitting your own ignorance? I have friends who have multitudes of firearms, they're called collectors. Just because you are unaware or unwilling to accept this as a hobby does not mean you get to dictate the terms of ownership. In fact, it makes you very unqualified for the job.

      4) Safe storage laws. You must keep your gun locked up or otherwise unavailable to to anyone who isn't you.
      I don't disagree with safe storage one bit, however I don't agree with your sweeping rule. An elderly couple who live out in the country should be free to have a shotgun loaded in case it is necessary to deal with an intruder when police are up to an hour away.

      None of these laws would, in any way, infringe on anyone's right to own a firearm.
      Says you, the salesman of arbitrary decision making founded on ignorance.

      Anyone who advocates for rights without responsibility is 1 temper tantrum away from being the next mass shooter.
      When all else fails, use fear right?

      All of these laws have been put in place in other countries around the world, and all have them have been proven to reduce gun-related crime in every single instance.
      Care to back this up? You'll have to forgive me if I don't accept conjecture from someone who is clearly ignorant to the topic at hand.

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      • Farbin Kaiber
        Lil' Puppet
        • Jul 2007
        • 29502

        #123
        E-hug for cale.

        (Did I really just post this?)

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        • marshallnoise
          No R3VLimiter
          • Sep 2013
          • 3148

          #124
          Originally posted by Farbin Kaiber
          E-hug for cale.

          (Did I really just post this?)
          Another e-hug. I did post this though.
          Si vis pacem, para bellum.

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          • eur04lif3
            Mod Crazy
            • Jan 2009
            • 756

            #125
            Originally posted by CorvallisBMW
            Easy.

            1) Background checks required on ALL guns sales, period. You want to sell a gun? You have a responsibility to make sure that the person you're selling it to isn't forbidden by law from owning one. This fits in perfectly with your "responsible gun owner" theory.

            2) Licensing and training. Want to buy a gun? Fine. But you need to prove that you know the laws, know basic safety, and know basic operation. This is a machine designed specifically for killing people, it's not a teddy bear. Treat it with respect, understand it's risks.

            3) Limit on sales quantities. Want to buy a gun? OK. Want to buy two? Fine. Want to buy 50? Nope. Anyone buying 50 guns is trafficking, period. You can't use 50 guns for protection, or for hunting.

            4) Safe storage laws. You must keep your gun locked up or otherwise unavailable to to anyone who isn't you. Your kid grabs your loaded shotgun and blows away a neighbor? Guess what sweetheart, you're liable. It's a deadly weapon and shouldn't be easily accessible to everybody. Someone break in to your house and steal your locked gun? That's OK, you were following the law. No harm, no fowl.

            None of these laws would, in any way, infringe on anyone's right to own a firearm. You can still own guns, you can still go down to the range and pop off a few boxes, you can still go hunting. But with those rights come responsibility. Anyone who advocates for rights without responsibility is 1 temper tantrum away from being the next mass shooter.

            All of these laws have been put in place in other countries around the world, and all have them have been proven to reduce gun-related crime in every single instance. Oh and guess what? None of those countries subsequently fell under the rule of a tyrannical dictator, either

            This isn't theory, this isn't speculation, this isn't a "belief". These are facts, backed up by empirical, observable, and repeatable evidence. You can choose to ignore it all you want; that doesn't make it any less true.
            Dispute this article then, your last statement about laws reducing gun-related crimes is not supported by data.

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            • mrsleeve
              I waste 90% of my day here and all I got was this stupid title
              • Mar 2005
              • 16385

              #126
              I will admit, its kinda weird to see Cale taking point this time around opposed me, Dub or Farb etc....

              But E-hug and E-Beer for Cale
              Originally posted by Fusion
              If a car is the epitome of freedom, than an electric car is house arrest with your wife titty fucking your next door neighbor.
              The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. -Alexis de Tocqueville


              The Desire to Save Humanity is Always a False Front for the Urge to Rule it- H. L. Mencken

              Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants.
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              • cale
                R3VLimited
                • Oct 2005
                • 2331

                #127
                I'll drink your beer but the hug's make me wanna never post again.

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                • marshallnoise
                  No R3VLimiter
                  • Sep 2013
                  • 3148

                  #128
                  haha!
                  Si vis pacem, para bellum.

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                  • ThatOneEuroE30
                    R3V OG
                    • Dec 2013
                    • 8626

                    #129
                    Saw this and made me laugh to much



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                    • Sea Aych
                      Mod Crazy
                      • Apr 2013
                      • 763

                      #130
                      I never weigh in on these things, but i ran across this a few minutes ago - thought y'all might want to take a look - not sure about the legitimacy of it, but a talking point anyway:
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                      • mrsleeve
                        I waste 90% of my day here and all I got was this stupid title
                        • Mar 2005
                        • 16385

                        #131
                        Just lip service to the base no more no les, there is nothing he can do though executive action, that wont be slapped down by the courts in about 3 seconds flat
                        Originally posted by Fusion
                        If a car is the epitome of freedom, than an electric car is house arrest with your wife titty fucking your next door neighbor.
                        The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. -Alexis de Tocqueville


                        The Desire to Save Humanity is Always a False Front for the Urge to Rule it- H. L. Mencken

                        Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants.
                        William Pitt-

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                        • Massimo
                          No R3VLimiter
                          • Jan 2008
                          • 3207

                          #132
                          So this news source is unreliable as fuck but is it true that

                          "the senate rejected two gun control proposals put forward — one which extended checks on those buying guns online and another to stop those on a terror watch list from purchasing guns at all."

                          WTF seriously how the fuck was that rejected. I assume there is more to it then that.

                          http://www.news.com.au/finance/busin...7344cb17e32d9e
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                          • Wschnitz
                            R3V OG
                            • Dec 2011
                            • 8089

                            #133
                            http://www.politico.com/story/2015/1...mocrats-216389

                            These? Yeah, as expected.

                            "Normal Americans can mistakenly end up on terrorist lists"

                            And the most you are worried about is them not being able to purchase guns? Really?
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                            • Massimo
                              No R3VLimiter
                              • Jan 2008
                              • 3207

                              #134
                              Originally posted by cale
                              What about someone buying a second or third firearm, background check required? You're free to spend your tax dollars on arbitrary hoops which have already been crossed, don't expect others to be so welcome to this.



                              No it's not, it's a tool designed to send a bullet in a particular direction. A rifle is designed to take down game, a target pistol is designed to punch holes in paper as an internationally sanctioned sport.

                              Law abiding owners DO treat them with respect, criminals do not. Forcing those who already behave safely to go through additional lengths because it gives you, the ignoramus, peace of mind is nonsensical.



                              Care to elaborate on this beyond admitting your own ignorance? I have friends who have multitudes of firearms, they're called collectors. Just because you are unaware or unwilling to accept this as a hobby does not mean you get to dictate the terms of ownership. In fact, it makes you very unqualified for the job.



                              I don't disagree with safe storage one bit, however I don't agree with your sweeping rule. An elderly couple who live out in the country should be free to have a shotgun loaded in case it is necessary to deal with an intruder when police are up to an hour away.



                              Says you, the salesman of arbitrary decision making founded on ignorance.



                              When all else fails, use fear right?



                              Care to back this up? You'll have to forgive me if I don't accept conjecture from someone who is clearly ignorant to the topic at hand.
                              How the fuck do you even sleep at night arguing any of that? People are dying something in the range of 30,000 a year in the USA from guns, and it is to hard for you to take some fucken training, get of you high horse and look at the bigger picture

                              Make no mistake a gun is designed to kill first and for most, from those guns sporting guns have been made, but at the end of the day regardless of whether it is a sporting gun or a gun designed for killing, they can all kill a person at a distance and do it with effectiveness.

                              How can any of you argue that nothing should be done. You all keep going on about education blah blah blah. What education is needed to stop mentally ill people from using a gun in a mass shooting. I am pretty sure they are fully aware of what I gun can do. Yeh education might stop accidental shootings but it is not going to do shit for mass shootings.

                              You need to make it harder to obtain guns in the USA. Its pretty fucken simple, it dose not take a genius to figure that out. How can you argue that? and why do you argue that? People are dying and all you are worried about is dam I am going to have to go to a training course, or I am going to have to wait a few months for that new gun. Who gives the shit, a person is dying because you want to be childish and demand you get what you want now.

                              DO YOU UNDERSTAND PEOPLE ARE DYING..... It is not a laughing matter...

                              Grow the fuck up. I am sick and tired of seeing this shit in the news every other day and I done even live in the USA. Same with every other nation.

                              You and I know it is coming, gun reform is the inevitable. Something will give in and it will happen mark my words. How about you and everyone else do something and be proud that you help USA stop the gun violence.

                              P.S when I say stop the gun violence it is figuratively speaking obviously you will never completely stop it.

                              On and this maybe you should all read it, then maybe you will understand why gun control works. But then again somehow you are going to pull apart a university study and claim it will not work in the USA.

                              http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news...-1226553311691
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                              • Wschnitz
                                R3V OG
                                • Dec 2011
                                • 8089

                                #135
                                Exactly, they say its just another blocker to their "right to bear arms" and its unconstitutional, meanwhile a mentally ill, depression or otherwise, person can go and purchase a gun cause they have not committed a crime.

                                Deaths via suicide by guns in the US is at an obnoxious high, and we have seen plenty of legal gun owners get their hands on guns to use to shoot at people.

                                Placing some hoops to go through to own and use a firearm is not removing your right to bear arms, its prevent more people from dying needlessly, if you are an upstanding perfect ideal citizen will it really ruin your life having to fill out some forms, or rather, wait an extra 10 mins to get your firearm while they run the check online? Will you really be hampered by a psychological exam so much that you life will just be imperfect?

                                I believe in the right to bear arms, but I also believe America has a huge problem, that needs reforms. Bullshitting around instead of actively working out a plan is helping no one. Currently it seems like all it is are republicans ignoring anything that has a hint of gun reform.

                                For fucks sake people, the CDC wasn't even able to study and release effects of guns and gun violence on people...


                                Insert reply here saying all us are damn liberals trying to take away the american rights Mr George Washington gave me in 1776.
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