Trump Thread 2.0

[MrBurgundy]

Bernie Sanders is not a communist or a socialist in the ways you want to fear monger about. Yeah, he advocates that Americans should have the right to good jobs and a living wage; Americans should have healthcare as a right and not let it be greatly profited upon, just like it is in every other developed country. Big deal.

We already have Socialism in this country: It's socialism for the rich and most powerful, they get the enormous bulk of handouts, loopholes and tax-breaks. Trump is your king of Socialism for the rich: let's create more tax loopholes, let's bailout Boeing, let's give billions upon billions in handouts to Big Farms that my shitty trade war screwed over; there's just too many instances to even count.

Bernie sanders is exactly that. Bernie belongs to the group democratic socialists of america and they explicitly say that they want to get rid of private wealth and capitalism as a whole

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Socialists_of_America

The DSA regards the abolition of capitalism and the realization of socialism as a gradual long-term goal, therefore the organization focuses its immediate political energies on reforms within capitalism that empower working people while decreasing the power of corporations

The DSA characterizes its vision of socialism as an economic system based on maximum decentralization that can be supportive of a range of models for social ownership, including publicly owned enterprises and worker-owned cooperatives. The DSA rejects centralized economic planning in favor of a combination of democratic planning and market mechanisms:^[119] Because the DSA does not believe capitalism and private corporations can be immediately replaced with socialism, it is favorable to using government regulations and organized labor to make private businesses more accountable to the public interest:

and "we already have socialism for the rich"

You have no idea what that socialism means lol.

[phillipj]

Bernie sanders is exactly that. Bernie belongs to the group democratic socialists of america and they explicitly say that they want to get rid of private wealth and capitalism as a whole

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democr...sts_of_America

and "we already have socialism for the rich"

You have no idea what that socialism means lol.

You are wrong / lying as usual: Sanders does not actually "belong to the group Democratic Socialists of America". He's an Independent. And he ran for President twice on the Democratic ticket. And he certainly does not advocate "to get rid of private wealth or capitalism as a whole". He does not advocate for public ownership of production nor seek to abolish the profit system, which are the two core defining characteristics of Socialism. Regulated Capitalism is not Socialism.

But, mischaracterize Sanders and the word "socialism" however you like, it's a free country.

A little about Socialism for the Rich:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social...m_for_the_poor

[LowR3V'in]

pretty sure bernie sanders declared himself a "democratic socialist".
his words. Preetttyy sure.

[MrBurgundy]

You are wrong / lying as usual: Sanders does not actually "belong to the group Democratic Socialists of America". He's an Independent. And he ran for President twice on the Democratic ticket. And he certainly does not advocate "to get rid of private wealth or capitalism as a whole". He does not advocate for public ownership of production nor seek to abolish the profit system, which are the two core defining characteristics of Socialism. Regulated Capitalism is not Socialism.

But, mischaracterize Sanders and the word "socialism" however you like, it's a free country.

A little about Socialism for the Rich:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social...m_for_the_poor

Okay,

well, here's this I guess

Sighhhh

Since you're calling me a liar, you're a retard.. Democratic socialism is democratic socialism. He may be an idependent in office, but he IS a democratic socialist. You're wrong, again. He is everything that a democratic socialist is. Who cares if he's an "independent' on his ticket? He has to put that becuase no one in their right mind wants a socialist lol

https://youtu.be/7Vuvuvz0Qks

https://youtu.be/K7jlAZSGXf4

Should I post more?

I wonder how you're going to discredit this

Watch the first 5 seconds of the second video and call me a liar again.

[roguetoaster]

Okay,

well, here's this I guess

Sighhhh

Since you're calling me a liar, you're a retard.. Democratic socialism is democratic socialism. He may be an idependent in office, but he IS a democratic socialist. You're wrong, again. He is everything that a democratic socialist is. Who cares if he's an "independent' on his ticket? He has to put that becuase no one in their right mind wants a socialist lol

https://youtu.be/7Vuvuvz0Qks

https://youtu.be/K7jlAZSGXf4

Should I post more?

I wonder how you're going to discredit this

The label isn't too important in the political sense, but the measure of the man behind it is really what matters.

A pretty good read, with ideas still mostly applicable 100 years later, from a politician who would later be labeled as everything from an imperialist to un-American depending on the objectives of the person applying the label: https://www.mbiconcepts.com/teddy-ro...vidualism.html

[cale]

Should I post more?

Yea, you should post the substantiation for...

Bernie sanders is exactly that. Bernie belongs to the group democratic socialists of america and they explicitly say that they want to get rid of private wealth and capitalism as a whole

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democr...sts_of_America

You made the claim he "belongs" to this group, so far that's proving to not be true, he just shares similar views and they chose to endorse him. So far you're either proving to be a liar or ignorant, which is it?

[nando]

Rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tru...-brad-parscale

I posted a link to Faux News, because, you know some people are too good for "MSM" and are more interesting in hearing what they want to hear.

[nando]

I dare you to watch this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urAF4Tx_m3g

[MrBurgundy]

Yea, you should post the substantiation for...



You made the claim he "belongs" to this group, so far that's proving to not be true, he just shares similar views and they chose to endorse him. So far you're either proving to be a liar or ignorant, which is it?

I mean, I posted a video of him explicitly claiming to be a democratic socialist. "we're going to win" his own words...

So, what you're trying to say is he's a democratic socialist, but not really? Is he really the democratic socialist and the others are not, or is it the other way around.. I'm confused. Because the actual Democratic Socialists of America endorsed him.

Lol what a load of... SHIT

you guys are literally insane....

Here you go Cale and Philip, straight from BERNIES own site

I literally cannot wait to see what you guys have to say about this...

Please, call me a liar again...

Jesus Christ guys talk about egos.

Don't forget to take notes

https://berniesanders.com/get-involv...lists-america/

[phillipj]

I mean, I posted a video of him explicitly claiming to be a democratic socialist...

That's not the same; you claim Sanders "belongs to the group Democratic Socialists of America", then you quickly quote their Wikipedia page and ascribe their exact beliefs to him. The entirety of that is meaningless and inaccurate.

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Sure Bernie Sanders says he's a "democratic socialist" and many term him a "social Democrat" but in his own words, which is the most important thing, he's basically the second coming of FDR. Sure, the Democratic Socialists of America endorse him, so does the Working Families Party, for that matter. So do a multitude of Democrats and Independents. And so did 1000's of other groups, politicians and people around the globe. He has the highest favorability rating of any politician.

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Why are you so super sloppy and misleading on purpose? You continually get really slippery with details and the truth on this page. I've never seen someone cherry pick history and stats so much to try and push their mindset on everyone else. Scary.

[MrBurgundy]

ahhhhhhhhhhhhh so frustrating :rofl:

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[nando]

Who cares. Bernie isn't running for election. Talk about a straw man argument..

[marshallnoise]

Who cares. Bernie isn't running for election. Talk about a straw man argument..

No bro, you guys are literally mentally handicapped. That is the only charitable explanation for your unwillingness to see things for how they actually are. The alternative reading is that you guys are intentionally not using reason and logic and as such you are evil.

[nando]

"you guys" - who?

You're assigning beliefs to me that I don't hold. I was never arguing about Bernie Sanders or what he believes in. I don't care about that argument at all (or about Sanders for that matter) - it's completely pointless, he isn't running for president. You're trying to take his beliefs and pin it on anyone that seems even slightly left of you (which is probably most of the population).

It's also hilarious to hear you talk about "truth" while you're simultaneously being cuckolded by the Trump administration's constant stream of lies. Don't forget to swallow.

[marshallnoise]

"you guys" - who?

You're assigning beliefs to me that I don't hold. I was never arguing about Bernie Sanders or what he believes in. I don't care about that argument at all (or about Sanders for that matter) - it's completely pointless, he isn't running for president. You're trying to take his beliefs and pin it on anyone that seems even slightly left of you (which is probably most of the population).

It's also hilarious to hear you talk about "truth" while you're simultaneously being cuckolded by the Trump administration's constant stream of lies. Don't forget to swallow.

You are and have always been one of the "you guys." You seem to think that you can skirt your participation in the very obvious contention that Bernie is a Socialist simply by saying he is not relevant. Note, if you had some honesty (and balls), you would say "Yeah, he is a socialist, completely, but since he is not up for election, its a moot point." Instead, you just skirt the discussion and then tell everyone they are nuts for even talking about Bernie when there are cohorts of yours somehow implying that he is not a socialist.

What does "being cuckolded by the Trump administration's constant stream of lies" actually mean? You mean because I am not afraid of the bad orange man that I am some type of sycophant? Go fuck yourself you fucking fuck. Blow me.