Trump Thread 2.0

[nando]

I dare you to watch this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urAF4Tx_m3g

[MrBurgundy]

Yea, you should post the substantiation for...



You made the claim he "belongs" to this group, so far that's proving to not be true, he just shares similar views and they chose to endorse him. So far you're either proving to be a liar or ignorant, which is it?

I mean, I posted a video of him explicitly claiming to be a democratic socialist. "we're going to win" his own words...

So, what you're trying to say is he's a democratic socialist, but not really? Is he really the democratic socialist and the others are not, or is it the other way around.. I'm confused. Because the actual Democratic Socialists of America endorsed him.

Lol what a load of... SHIT

you guys are literally insane....

Here you go Cale and Philip, straight from BERNIES own site

I literally cannot wait to see what you guys have to say about this...

Please, call me a liar again...

Jesus Christ guys talk about egos.

Don't forget to take notes

https://berniesanders.com/get-involv...lists-america/

[phillipj]

I mean, I posted a video of him explicitly claiming to be a democratic socialist...

That's not the same; you claim Sanders "belongs to the group Democratic Socialists of America", then you quickly quote their Wikipedia page and ascribe their exact beliefs to him. The entirety of that is meaningless and inaccurate.

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Sure Bernie Sanders says he's a "democratic socialist" and many term him a "social Democrat" but in his own words, which is the most important thing, he's basically the second coming of FDR. Sure, the Democratic Socialists of America endorse him, so does the Working Families Party, for that matter. So do a multitude of Democrats and Independents. And so did 1000's of other groups, politicians and people around the globe. He has the highest favorability rating of any politician.

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Why are you so super sloppy and misleading on purpose? You continually get really slippery with details and the truth on this page. I've never seen someone cherry pick history and stats so much to try and push their mindset on everyone else. Scary.

[MrBurgundy]

ahhhhhhhhhhhhh so frustrating :rofl:

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[nando]

Who cares. Bernie isn't running for election. Talk about a straw man argument..

[marshallnoise]

Who cares. Bernie isn't running for election. Talk about a straw man argument..

No bro, you guys are literally mentally handicapped. That is the only charitable explanation for your unwillingness to see things for how they actually are. The alternative reading is that you guys are intentionally not using reason and logic and as such you are evil.

[nando]

"you guys" - who?

You're assigning beliefs to me that I don't hold. I was never arguing about Bernie Sanders or what he believes in. I don't care about that argument at all (or about Sanders for that matter) - it's completely pointless, he isn't running for president. You're trying to take his beliefs and pin it on anyone that seems even slightly left of you (which is probably most of the population).

It's also hilarious to hear you talk about "truth" while you're simultaneously being cuckolded by the Trump administration's constant stream of lies. Don't forget to swallow.

[marshallnoise]

"you guys" - who?

You're assigning beliefs to me that I don't hold. I was never arguing about Bernie Sanders or what he believes in. I don't care about that argument at all (or about Sanders for that matter) - it's completely pointless, he isn't running for president. You're trying to take his beliefs and pin it on anyone that seems even slightly left of you (which is probably most of the population).

It's also hilarious to hear you talk about "truth" while you're simultaneously being cuckolded by the Trump administration's constant stream of lies. Don't forget to swallow.

You are and have always been one of the "you guys." You seem to think that you can skirt your participation in the very obvious contention that Bernie is a Socialist simply by saying he is not relevant. Note, if you had some honesty (and balls), you would say "Yeah, he is a socialist, completely, but since he is not up for election, its a moot point." Instead, you just skirt the discussion and then tell everyone they are nuts for even talking about Bernie when there are cohorts of yours somehow implying that he is not a socialist.

What does "being cuckolded by the Trump administration's constant stream of lies" actually mean? You mean because I am not afraid of the bad orange man that I am some type of sycophant? Go fuck yourself you fucking fuck. Blow me.

[marshallnoise]

That is such an accurate comment! Great commentary. And one you seem to agree with! Powerful interests and corporations control the big mainstream news, or they are corporations themselves, and manipulate it for their bottom-line and vested interests. Anyone reading this here is going to agree. But certainly speak out if you don't!

No, its not the same thing, even a little. Corporations are not tyrannies. I disagree with shareholder motivations on reporting news, but that is not me admitting that I agree that corporations are tyrranies. That is insane thinking and only used to justify the tearing down of the entire system. Label something a tyrant, and you get to kill it. The label is what counts with "thinkers" like you and Noam.

And, No!! The Country is not "the best it's ever been." How do you figure that? The country has never been so unequal. There has never been so many people incarcerated. The country has never been in so much debt, whether we are talking the government, or numbers of individuals. There's never been so many people bankrupted because they couldn't afford their medical bills! The country is probably more divided and polarized than ever before. Lifespan in this country is going down and infant mortality and those living below the poverty line is going up. The homeless population around me has gone up 20% in the past year, when I drive to work I often wonder if that person lying over there is dead on the sidewalk. Job quality is overall worse. Job availability is definitely worse. Pay has more or less flat-lined for decades!

First off, I never said its the best its ever been. I said it is the best nation to have ever existed, period. We have our problems to be sure, but being black in America, for instance, is not a death sentence. That's a lie. You do not seem capable of nuanced thought.

Trump works closer and in tandem with Fox News specifically and other conservative news outlets -- OAN for example -- more than any other President in this country's history. He also gives these very manipulative, spun sources legitimacy they do not deserve on the largest most powerful platform available. Needs to be acknowledged.

You are full of shit with this contention. That's fine. Having free speech also means I know you are crazy by the insane shit you say.

Term limits, ok! But some way, any way, to curb lobbying and campaign finance should be #1; but let's notice who are the only people talking about that seriously? Can you name someone? Hm. I can.

Once again, I am not talking about term limits, I am talking about service limits of individuals in government. Far more wide and reaching than simple term limits. And are you giving Bernie a blowie for that kudo you think he deserves? Who is talking about what I am talking about? No one.

Oh I do, and it wasn't fair. And guess what?! Fox head Roger Ailes tipped off his buddy Trump on questions before his Presidential debate, too. I do not care for any of these people. Roger Ailes. Trump. Donna Brazille. Clinton. They deserve each other.

Unsubstantiated claim 101. My claim was 100% verified while you are just saying what feels good to yourself.

And, I very much do believe Bernie Sanders cares about real, everyday people. How do I know? I met him myself. He is a good man.

Bernie Sanders is a life long hack, terrible human being who wants power for himself and no one else. I am not snowed by Donald J. Trump. I know he loves power just the same as Bernie, but I am not naive enough to think that DJT only wants what's best for me. But I do know for a fact that his record has shown he is NOT a tyrant and not after "fundamentally changing America" like Biden and Bernie and Hillary and Obama want to do.

I cannot believe how gullible you are. I really hope you find a proctologist soon.

[roguetoaster]

Sounds like it's time to close this thread.

[nando]

You are and have always been one of the "you guys." You seem to think that you can skirt your participation in the very obvious contention that Bernie is a Socialist simply by saying he is not relevant. Note, if you had some honesty (and balls), you would say "Yeah, he is a socialist, completely, but since he is not up for election, its a moot point." Instead, you just skirt the discussion and then tell everyone they are nuts for even talking about Bernie when there are cohorts of yours somehow implying that he is not a socialist.

What does "being cuckolded by the Trump administration's constant stream of lies" actually mean? You mean because I am not afraid of the bad orange man that I am some type of sycophant? Go fuck yourself you fucking fuck. Blow me.

You're missing the point. I don't care about Bernie Sanders and was never arguing about him. I was only saying that whether he is a Democratic Socialist or not (I would say he is), is completely irrelevant because the race is between Biden and Trump, not Sanders and Trump.

lol, triggered. What do you think I mean? You live and breathe the lies of the president. He lies so obviously and often it's hardly even news anymore. Not a tyrant? haha. No, but he really wishes he could be, like his best friends Kim Jong Un and Putin. King Trump for president!

[gwb72tii]

Looking at the outcome and thinking that lets you understand the causes is cute. Spew a few stereotypes that you think are sticking points while ignoring generations of inequality founded on institutionalized racism, literal regulation that said black man =/= white man.

You're grossly ignorant to history.

wow cale, your ignorance is astounding. you seem smart, but ignore history.
the USA has spent 15 trillion f++ing dollars trying to stamp out poverty for the last 60 years through giveaways, enhanced benefits, and racial quotas for jobs and schools. and it wasn't until Trump came along that black unemployment actually showed a historic decline.
you don't end poverty and inequality, which is a political term and buzzword, with government programs paying unwed mothers more money for more babies, and more money to remain unemployed.
you'll never fix the problems until all people are held personally responsible for their behavior.

[marshallnoise]

You're missing the point. I don't care about Bernie Sanders and was never arguing about him. I was only saying that whether he is a Democratic Socialist or not (I would say he is), is completely irrelevant because the race is between Biden and Trump, not Sanders and Trump.

No, I am not missing the point. People leveled the absurd notion that he was not a socialist and you simply tried to sweep it under the rug as irrelevant. That was what was being discussed at that moment, you could have chosen to not participate but instead you dismissed it as irrelevant. That's why you are called out for it.

lol, triggered. What do you think I mean? You live and breathe the lies of the president. He lies so obviously and often it's hardly even news anymore. Not a tyrant? haha. No, but he really wishes he could be, like his best friends Kim Jong Un and Putin. King Trump for president!

I don't live and breathe his "lies." What lies? Its not obvious to half the population that he is lying constantly. Dismissing half the population of this country is a serious mistake. Just maybe, they have different thoughts from you and what you perceive as lies.

If he refuses to leave office if he loses the election, I will be rallying to get him out of there. I want the system to work and will support only a peaceful transition should one need to occur.

The real problem is that those of you on the left do not want the system to work because you believe the system is corrupt and evil and therefore should be torn down. We cannot have conversations about fixing the system with people who do not believe that our system should even be in place. We are literally in a cold civil war right now and I fear it might get warm really quick.

[marshallnoise]

Sounds like it's time to close this thread.

I dunno man. We need to be shouting at each other. Its how ideas get kicked about and proven good or bad. Its ugly, but freedom is ugly sometimes.

[cale]

and it wasn't until Trump came along that black unemployment actually showed a historic decline.

Right, except it's been on a steady decline for the past decade with no change in trajectory either down or up since Trump took office. *golfclap*

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LNS14000031

wow cale, your ignorance is astounding. you seem smart, but ignore history.

You've never been good at interpreting facts or graphs, rich given I thought you were/are an engineer. Suggesting other people ignore history when you yourself are making it up is hil-fucking-arious.