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    Schumer dissing N. Dakota and Indiana. What a despicable tyrant.

    I say put automated turrets and warnings wall or no wall in a no mans land on our side. Shoot anything that moves. What for underground tunnels because those exist

    I do agree with Trump, why waste taxpayer money on something he knows will get stonewalled?

    Now lets push for National Reciprocity for CCW. IMO right now thats more important than the wall as we need to be able to protect our family, friends, neighbors from internal and external threats.
    Last edited by R3Z3N; 12-12-2018, 06:51 PM.

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        Originally posted by R3Z3N View Post
        Schumer dissing N. Dakota and Indiana. What a despicable tyrant.
        explain...

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          Originally posted by R3Z3N View Post
          Schumer dissing N. Dakota and Indiana. What a despicable tyrant.

          I say put automated turrets and warnings wall or no wall in a no mans land on our side. Shoot anything that moves. What for underground tunnels because those exist

          I do agree with Trump, why waste taxpayer money on something he knows will get stonewalled?

          Now lets push for National Reciprocity for CCW. IMO right now thats more important than the wall as we need to be able to protect our family, friends, neighbors from internal and external threats.
          Is common humanity dead? Shoot anything that moves appears to show a lack of caring for fellow humans. I get that you clearly don't want certain people in the country, but to say that people should be killed clearly violates natural law.

          Is your life in danger constantly? I don't have any idea what your locality is like, I've never been to CA outside of the airports, but do you really feel as though there are threats all around you constantly? If that's really the case, I feel sorry for you and suggest you move somewhere that provides you with a greater sense of comfort and ease of living.

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            Originally posted by R3Z3N View Post
            I say put automated turrets and warnings wall or no wall in a no mans land on our side. Shoot anything that moves.
            I agree entirely with you. It is how things should be done... if you think that the US is no better than North Korea.

            But you have to chose where you want the US to stand. If you still want to claim that the US is a guiding light in democracy and a defender of human rights around the world (which basically allows the US to put its nose in other countries' business and invade them if necessary), then borders should NEVER be closed and everybody should ALWAYS have the same right of claiming refugee status and go thru due process...

            But hey, Trump catters to rednecks and Evangelicals, so I am not surprised of his stupid "great ideas"... ;-)

            And seeing Trump's fascination for this world's dictators, I am not surprised anymore of anything Trump-related. Kim Jong Un, Vladimir Putin, Benito Mussolini and Rodrigo Duterte couldn't agree more. ;-)
            Last edited by Massive Lee; 12-13-2018, 07:48 AM.
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              Originally posted by mbonder View Post
              Is common humanity dead? Shoot anything that moves appears to show a lack of caring for fellow humans. I get that you clearly don't want certain people in the country, but to say that people should be killed clearly violates natural law.

              Is your life in danger constantly? I don't have any idea what your locality is like, I've never been to CA outside of the airports, but do you really feel as though there are threats all around you constantly? If that's really the case, I feel sorry for you and suggest you move somewhere that provides you with a greater sense of comfort and ease of living.

              Silly no! There would still be entry points with vetting and security!

              A problem is illegal immigration which should be halted. This would halt it, and is fair to ourselves.

              No my life is in danger when we take care of illegals, when our country supports socialism, when we let murders off the hook because prisons are full, when the hateful men who killed children in New Mexico get off the hook because of his fathers affiliation with DC and praying with Allah for our countrymen.

              A problem that has risen is our country not allowing us to protect ourselves, and demonizing when we do, demonizing even the tool that allows us to have the most equal standing among each other. Claiming that non-felons are the problem, but not prosecuting the offenders for actual illegal acquisition or usage of these tools.

              Trump or not, there needs to be a real fiscal, personal and timely consequence of entering illegally. America has become soft. Don't equate that to loving or healthy.

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                How are automated turrets going to stop illegal immigration? What do you say to the families of Americans who will, inevitably, get shot as well? As you say, underground tunnels are a thing. I used to think a minefield in no-man's-land, auto turrets, and the like were great ideas. When I was 18.

                What turrets will help to accomplish is removing the US from it's pedestal of having at least the airs of being on the moral high ground when dealing with other nations. Though Trump is doing a pretty good job of that on his own. I agree immigration is an issue, but unfortunately, is not one easily solved by throwing money at the problem. A la our educational system.
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                  Serious? The land would be marked as no mans land with a safety margin.

                  It won't happen sadly.

                  We would still be on the moral high ground. And we have similiar locations within the US that might shoot on site. Enter a military base without authorization? I expect to be dead. Enter many other countries without proper papers or legality, I can expect to be executed, and that is their moral right to protect themselves.

                  Why must we be so different and have non-existant physical barriers but also have open arms to all? Pelosi claiming it worked in the past, and we will keep doing the same thing? It doesn't work. Fools do the same thing for multiple years. You still want the prior administrations stance on removing families from children as they enter? These consequences are up to the parents whether they know them or not.

                  It really is no different than someone breaking and entering into my house. Whether they are a criminal or not, illegal or not, high or not, deranged or not, I have a right to prevent that with whatever means necessary. We have a right as a country to prevent that as well.

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                    Originally posted by R3Z3N View Post
                    when our country supports socialism,
                    I hope your children didn't attend public school. We have many socialist policies in this country that I'm fine with, and many republicans are as well. About the only one seems to be Healthcare, and the lack of universal healthcare costs us more.

                    But R's have shown time and time again that they are willing to vote against their own pocketbook because of Guns, Jesus, and some imaginary threat.

                    Originally posted by R3Z3N View Post
                    when we let murders off the hook because prisons are full, when the hateful men who killed children in New Mexico get off the hook because of his fathers affiliation with DC and praying with Allah for our countrymen.
                    Prisons are full of non-violent, drug offenders that needs healthcare, not use spending 5-20x per year per inmate vs what we spend on education.

                    The vast majority of mass murderers in the US are white men.


                    Originally posted by R3Z3N View Post
                    A problem that has risen is our country not allowing us to protect ourselves, and demonizing when we do, demonizing even the tool that allows us to have the most equal standing among each other. Claiming that non-felons are the problem, but not prosecuting the offenders for actual illegal acquisition or usage of these tools.
                    This is just so blatantly false there is no point in even bothering.

                    Originally posted by R3Z3N View Post
                    Trump or not, there needs to be a real fiscal, personal and timely consequence of entering illegally. America has become soft. Don't equate that to loving or healthy.
                    The fiscal penalty is US CITIZENS paying for it. So what? You want a debtor's prison like in the Middle East?

                    "Well you can't pay this $1000 fine, so we are going to lock you up so EVERYONE has to pay for you."


                    This line of thinking is so uneducated, ignorant, and flawed, that I have to think you're a brilliant troll.
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                      Originally posted by z31maniac View Post
                      The vast majority of mass murderers in the US are white men.
                      And democrats to boot! Funny eh?

                      Oh and Californians voted that rape is a non-violent crime. It was just petitioned as to reduce time for non-violent offenders, but in reality, it just lets more violence back in the streets. Imagine that, Democrats wanting rape to be considered non-violent and getting it passed!

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                        I totally get what you're saying, but if they can do that at our borders, what stops them from doing that ANYWHERE else in our country? At the end of the day, we have no real say. Don't green-light an avenue for total government control just because this is OUR country. Remember. National-Socialist. First comes the Nationalist part. We only want to protect ourselves. Americans ONLY. We close our borders, because bad guys. Then we start letting the government control more and more, because we want to be safe. Eventually, we're powerless. Are you going to run up to a line of turrets with your 12-gauge?

                        Disclaimer: This is JUST food for thought. Not putting on my tin-foil hat for good QUITE yet. Not trying to be another George or Hoof.
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                          Originally posted by R3Z3N View Post
                          No my life is in danger when we take care of illegals, when our country supports socialism, when we let murders off the hook because prisons are full, when the hateful men who killed children in New Mexico get off the hook because of his fathers affiliation with DC and praying with Allah for our countrymen.
                          wow...I normally stay out of here, but jump in to see what the discussion is like, but this... wow

                          Prisons are full because the law punishes non-violent criminals with long jail terms...you remember the War on Drugs? Lets start by reviewing all of those cases if we want to open up some space for the murderers who are afforded the opportunity to get a chance to defend themselves in court.

                          You completely ignored all of the AMERICAN terrorists that get taken in alive while innocent people are murdered by those that are supposed to be protecting us. They are a bigger problem, and many of those people have similar views as you, so Im not surprised you overlooked them as a problem.
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                            almost 50% of undocumented immigrants in the US came on legally obtained Visa's.
                            but yeah, lets all pay for a $50B wall...

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                              ^So it makes sense then to allow everyone that is a non-felon to conceal or open carry, because as more citizens protect themselves, then law-enforcment will be more wary of stepping on law-abiding citizens toes....or in the cases your are pointing to, not just stepping on but shooting.

                              I do not support any terrorist. Have a trial if we do catch them alive, then publicly execute them.

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                                Originally posted by saucers View Post
                                almost 50% of undocumented immigrants in the US came on legally obtained Visa's.
                                but yeah, lets all pay for a $50B wall...
                                An undocumented immigrant is an illegal. There would be no way they have a legally obtained Visa and be undocumented.

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