Colorado general chat...

[monkeytaco]

You could vinyl wrap those M stripes for about 300-400 if you do it yourself.

I've considered that option actually. I have a friend who does car vinyl so it would be even cheaper than that. I've done wraps before too. I gotta find the mt2 door pieces for the sedan though, they are hard to find.

On another note, anyone else need m42 parts? :)

[Cloudbase]

Could your friend score some wrap similar to Alpine White II?

[blefevre]

For those interested.

Labor for stroker or swap from autosport works.

2.9L Stroker with new crank,rods,bearings,pistons,machine to 86mm,deck head, etc. 2800 if I just drop the entire car off.

24V swap. I get all the parts and again, just drop the sucker off. 3200.

Now of coures these are high estimates because this assumes no work on my end. If I take the engine out it will be way cheaper. Same for the swap. Also autosport works isn't cheap. I am sure SCR would be cheaper just from previous quotes i've gotten from them.

Just a reference for everyone.

[iamsam]

Brad, do the 24v swap, you get more liters, more power, and tons of people are offering their services and resources to do the swap, for FREE! i'd take that deal...

Score an S50/ZF 5-speed for $2k-ish (if you shop around, or wait for a good deal to pop up), gather the needed parts, bring the car to Ross's garage (or Roland's), and then sell the perfectly good M20 for $300-ish to make back some of the cost.

[blefevre]

That is kinda what I am gathering. While a 2.9L M20 is cool because I get essentially a brand new engine that will last for a LONG time, and it sounds epic, the swap might be better. I need to make a complete list of items though, it can get spendy quick. If I can keep this under 3.5k I will be happy.

I would keep my 260 for now. No reason to switch transmissions, drive shafts, and diff right now. S50 with 4.10 rear end = no tires!

[iamsam]

That is kinda what I am gathering. While a 2.9L M20 is cool because I get essentially a brand new engine that will last for a LONG time, and it sounds epic, the swap might be better. I need to make a complete list of items though, it can get spendy quick. If I can keep this under 3.5k I will be happy.

I would keep my 260 for now. No reason to switch transmissions, drive shafts, and diff right now. S50 with 4.10 rear end = no tires!

imho, i think you can do an S50 swap for WAY less than $3.5k net cost. I have been looking into it for a while, and there are ways to get good deals if you are ontop of things and patient. I mean, Ross did his 24v swap for like $1700 or so iirc (Ross, correct me if i'm wrong). The best way I think is to wait for a wrecked M3 to pop up on CL, buy it for $3k or so, use all the parts, and you will make most of that $3k back parting the rest of the M3 out.

the 4.10 diff with an S50 would just be insane, you would effectively have a 4-speed manual, (2-5) with 1st gear as your creeper gear for doing everyday tasks such as pulling trees out of the ground, towing freight trains, etc.

But of course this is all up to you, but I'd research the beans out of each option, and make for sure that people can help you with the swap if you go that route. I can't promise you my garage because i doubt you'd want to make the trek up to Loveland, and I will have my own projects in it, but I can definitely help with some labor.

[Bimmerman325i]

imho, i think you can do an S50 swap for WAY less than $3.5k net cost. I have been looking into it for a while, and there are ways to get good deals if you are ontop of things and patient. I mean, Ross did his 24v swap for like $1700 or so iirc (Ross, correct me if i'm wrong). The best way I think is to wait for a wrecked M3 to pop up on CL, buy it for $3k or so, use all the parts, and you will make most of that $3k back parting the rest of the M3 out.

the 4.10 diff with an S50 would just be insane, you would effectively have a 4-speed manual, (2-5) with 1st gear as your creeper gear for doing everyday tasks such as pulling trees out of the ground, towing freight trains, etc.

But of course this is all up to you, but I'd research the beans out of each option, and make for sure that people can help you with the swap if you go that route. I can't promise you my garage because i doubt you'd want to make the trek up to Loveland, and I will have my own projects in it, but I can definitely help with some labor.

I agree with Sam on all but the gearing and parting issue.

Parting the car is a significant time and space requirement. Brad's already said that he doesn't have a garage to store/swap a car in, so parting one definitely isn't in the cards. It would be cheaper, but I'd personally just buy the motor and parts so that all my free time wasn't tied up in parting, selling, shipping, and storing, but that's me.

As for gearing, the 4.10 and G260 effectively is a ZF310 with the 3.15 as far as realized ratios go. My e30 and my M3 turn +/-100 rpm identical revs on the highway. I don't think it will make 1st gear useless....the 4.10 with the M20 sure didn't and the S50 just has more power. It just yields snappier acceleration at the expense of more often shifts.

[Roland H]

For those interested.

Labor for stroker or swap from autosport works.

2.9L Stroker with new crank,rods,bearings,pistons,machine to 86mm,deck head, etc. 2800 if I just drop the entire car off.

24V swap. I get all the parts and again, just drop the sucker off. 3200.

Now of coures these are high estimates because this assumes no work on my end. If I take the engine out it will be way cheaper. Same for the swap. Also autosport works isn't cheap. I am sure SCR would be cheaper just from previous quotes i've gotten from them.

Just a reference for everyone.

We can definitely beat that by a considerable margin. :D

imho, i think you can do an S50 swap for WAY less than $3.5k net cost. I have been looking into it for a while, and there are ways to get good deals if you are ontop of things and patient. I mean, Ross did his 24v swap for like $1700 or so iirc (Ross, correct me if i'm wrong). The best way I think is to wait for a wrecked M3 to pop up on CL, buy it for $3k or so, use all the parts, and you will make most of that $3k back parting the rest of the M3 out.

the 4.10 diff with an S50 would just be insane, you would effectively have a 4-speed manual, (2-5) with 1st gear as your creeper gear for doing everyday tasks such as pulling trees out of the ground, towing freight trains, etc.

But of course this is all up to you, but I'd research the beans out of each option, and make for sure that people can help you with the swap if you go that route. I can't promise you my garage because i doubt you'd want to make the trek up to Loveland, and I will have my own projects in it, but I can definitely help with some labor.

truth.

I agree with Sam on all but the gearing and parting issue.

Parting the car is a significant time and space requirement. Brad's already said that he doesn't have a garage to store/swap a car in, so parting one definitely isn't in the cards. It would be cheaper, but I'd personally just buy the motor and parts so that all my free time wasn't tied up in parting, selling, shipping, and storing, but that's me.

As for gearing, the 4.10 and G260 effectively is a ZF310 with the 3.15 as far as realized ratios go. My e30 and my M3 turn +/-100 rpm identical revs on the highway. I don't think it will make 1st gear useless....the 4.10 with the M20 sure didn't and the S50 just has more power. It just yields snappier acceleration at the expense of more often shifts.

Doesn't the M20 flywheel require modification to work with a 24v motor?

[Bimmerman325i]

Doesn't the M20 flywheel require modification to work with a 24v motor?

honestly, I have no idea. I know many guys run the g260 with the 24v motor, but I really don't know what's involved. I do know that the shift pattern is kinked, and I think you might need a custom trans brace.

For you guys offering help/space for swaps.....after Brad's got his done, any chance of help/space on a batshit insane Manwagon swap/build?

[iamsam]

I agree with Sam on all but the gearing and parting issue.

Parting the car is a significant time and space requirement. Brad's already said that he doesn't have a garage to store/swap a car in, so parting one definitely isn't in the cards. It would be cheaper, but I'd personally just buy the motor and parts so that all my free time wasn't tied up in parting, selling, shipping, and storing, but that's me.

As for gearing, the 4.10 and G260 effectively is a ZF310 with the 3.15 as far as realized ratios go. My e30 and my M3 turn +/-100 rpm identical revs on the highway. I don't think it will make 1st gear useless....the 4.10 with the M20 sure didn't and the S50 just has more power. It just yields snappier acceleration at the expense of more often shifts.

yeah whether Brad has the time/space/resources to part an M3 shell is up to Brad to figure out, but given those, parting an M3 can bring in alot of money. So whether or not parting an M3 is in the cards is up to Brad to decide. And David, I do stand corrected about the g260 + 4.10 diff, the engine itself does not change the need for gearing. With the ZF tranny from an M3, a 4.10 would be a tree-pulling gear i guess...

However, Brad, one thing you will get with the Getrag 260 mated to the S50 is that the shift linkage will be slightly displaced, so your shfter will stick out of the console at a funny angle, but will not impede shifting. This I do know for a fact from personal experience. (my Chem 2 TA from University of MD took me for a ride in his 24v swapped E30 w/ original g260).

but Brad, if you DO go the M3 parting route, you may as well use the ZF tranny, it is a bit stronger, and you can make some money back selling the Getrag. The only other part you need is the front section of the driveshaft from an automatic E36 328i iirc, but don't quote me on that. And those are a dime a dozen at the junkyards.

[iamsam]

For you guys offering help/space for swaps.....after Brad's got his done, any chance of help/space on a batshit insane Manwagon swap/build?

Don't your parents have a pretty hefty garage?

[Bimmerman325i]

yeah whether Brad has the time/space/resources to part an M3 shell is up to Brad to figure out, but given those, parting an M3 can bring in alot of money. So whether or not parting an M3 is in the cards is up to Brad to decide. And David, I do stand corrected about the g260 + 4.10 diff, the engine itself does not change the need for gearing. With the ZF tranny from an M3, a 4.10 would be a tree-pulling gear i guess...

However, Brad, one thing you will get with the Getrag 260 mated to the S50 is that the shift linkage will be slightly displaced, so your shfter will stick out of the console at a funny angle, but will not impede shifting. This I do know for a fact from personal experience. (my Chem 2 TA from University of MD took me for a ride in his 24v swapped E30 w/ original g260).

but Brad, if you DO go the M3 parting route, you may as well use the ZF tranny, it is a bit stronger, and you can make some money back selling the Getrag. The only other part you need is the front section of the driveshaft from an automatic E36 328i iirc, but don't quote me on that. And those are a dime a dozen at the junkyards.

Totally agree.

Don't your parents have a pretty hefty garage?

Yea, but considering how pissed they get when I touch a car at home, I highly doubt a motor swap is possible. Plan A, for sure, but most likely a Plan B will be called upon.

[iamsam]

Yea, but considering how pissed they get when I touch a car at home, I highly doubt a motor swap is possible. Plan A, for sure, but most likely a Plan B will be called upon.

wait, what??? your parents get pissed off at you when you work on your cars in their garage? Didn't you have your M3 in there for a long time??

[stoliver54]

Thats probably why they get pissed

[Bimmerman325i]

wait, what??? your parents get pissed off at you when you work on your cars in their garage? Didn't you have your M3 in there for a long time??

Yup, very, on both counts. Their garage.....