M54 Madness, the remix

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  • ForcedFirebird
    R3V OG
    • Feb 2007
    • 8300

    #196
    Originally posted by hoveringuy
    No, it's cool. Any knowledge that advances the art is welcome.
    Do you plan on a dyno trip? Seeing you went for comfort on the exhaust, am curious (I think the new exhaust would actually be better). Many thing "headers" instantly means more power, but usually the contrary. On the m20 we saw a couple wtq, 0whp gain, but it was just a side exit and cheesy y-pipe close to the collectors (not a car we bult, just one we tuned before and after).
    john@m20guru.com
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    Transaction feedback: Here, here and here. Thanks :D

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    • hoveringuy
      R3VLimited
      • Dec 2005
      • 2675

      #197
      Originally posted by ForcedFirebird
      Do you plan on a dyno trip?
      Yes! I just resolved my last issue this morning. It wasn't revving past 6000 because I'm using a Toyota 1JZ ignitor box which has smart dwell. I had my dwell at 3ms and the ignitor box was protesting at 6000 by cutting spark, not limiting dwell. I reduced my dwell to 2.4ms and now it spins to 7200.

      So, I will schedule a return to the dyno.

      -New exhaust. Car is 10x quieter and also stronger with the OBD2 headers and smaller diameter down pipes.

      -Static cam timing. Intake cam had been retarded about 8 degrees. Dead-on now.

      -VANOS seals. They broke into pieces when removed. Intake cam was not advancing nearly enough and was hard to control.

      On the negative side I added a MAF which I didn't have before.

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      • Jaker
        Wrencher
        • Oct 2013
        • 234

        #198
        Well since the OP said it was OK, here's my build. I won't be doing a build thread of my own. However, I will answer any questions that might come my way.

        1993 325is - 2,380lbs no driver

        3.0 build, M52 Z3 aluminum block, Vanos head
        11.5:1 84.5mm Imagineering pistons (Paul Burke)
        Metric Mechanic rally cams
        Molnar rods
        Ported head
        1mm over valves
        3.5" intake
        540i MAF
        Riot Racing 68mm TB
        24lb injectors
        22nd Productions remote tune (22rpd.com) on Bosch 413 DME
        Lightweight S52 crank
        UUC flywheel/M5 clutch
        Raceland shorty headers
        Custom 3" exhaust
        Several oiling mods





        And the start of the new header (I bought 2 of them):



        Expecting something similar (but better looking) to this:

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        • craz azn
          Mod Crazy
          • Jul 2004
          • 740

          #199
          ^ Where did you source that style ATI damper from? Did it come with a hub made for it or uses the stock crank hub?

          Rippin' Proper | Youtube | Vimeo |

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          • digger
            R3V Elite
            • Nov 2005
            • 5904

            #200
            that header for what looks like s54 looks alright, id be getting stepped primaries if i was you
            89 E30 325is Lachs Silber - currently M20B31, M20B33 in the works, stroked to the hilt...

            new build thread http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=317505

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            • ForcedFirebird
              R3V OG
              • Feb 2007
              • 8300

              #201
              Primaries look a little large, but the design is bang up. People tent to over-size headers - but keep something in mind - NASCAR use 1.625" primaries (stepped up after) on a 4" bore and make 100hp per cylinder.
              john@m20guru.com
              Links:
              Transaction feedback: Here, here and here. Thanks :D

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              • Jaker
                Wrencher
                • Oct 2013
                • 234

                #202
                Originally posted by craz azn
                ^ Where did you source that style ATI damper from? Did it come with a hub made for it or uses the stock crank hub?
                I bought it from Dan at Pure Performance in Cali. The hub is from ATI as well. Complete replacement for everything OEM.

                Originally posted by digger
                that header for what looks like s54 looks alright, id be getting stepped primaries if i was you
                Mine will be stepped primaries, 1.5 x 9"/1.625 x 9"/1.75 x 9".

                Originally posted by ForcedFirebird
                Primaries look a little large, but the design is bang up. People tent to over-size headers - but keep something in mind - NASCAR use 1.625" primaries (stepped up after) on a 4" bore and make 100hp per cylinder.
                See above.

                That photo was just to show the "equal length" style/design that my fabricator Zack envisions.

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                • ForcedFirebird
                  R3V OG
                  • Feb 2007
                  • 8300

                  #203
                  Didn't see a size mentioned, but seems as you got the right stuff going on :) 1.5" initial primaries is a good choice.
                  john@m20guru.com
                  Links:
                  Transaction feedback: Here, here and here. Thanks :D

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                  • digger
                    R3V Elite
                    • Nov 2005
                    • 5904

                    #204
                    Originally posted by Jaker
                    I bought it from Dan at Pure Performance in Cali. The hub is from ATI as well. Complete replacement for everything OEM.



                    Mine will be stepped primaries, 1.5 x 9"/1.625 x 9"/1.75 x 9".



                    See above.

                    That photo was just to show the "equal length" style/design that my fabricator Zack envisions.
                    that would be would i would do except the 1.75" part. what size did burns choose for the choke and the secondary?
                    89 E30 325is Lachs Silber - currently M20B31, M20B33 in the works, stroked to the hilt...

                    new build thread http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=317505

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                    • Jaker
                      Wrencher
                      • Oct 2013
                      • 234

                      #205
                      They spec'd 2" secondaries into a 2 1/2" choke. Rest of the exhaust is 3". That's the size of my current setup and it seems to work very well.

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                      • digger
                        R3V Elite
                        • Nov 2005
                        • 5904

                        #206
                        Originally posted by Jaker
                        They spec'd 2" secondaries into a 2 1/2" choke. Rest of the exhaust is 3". That's the size of my current setup and it seems to work very well.
                        i mean choke at end of primaries as you said you bought two 3 into 1 merge collectors.
                        89 E30 325is Lachs Silber - currently M20B31, M20B33 in the works, stroked to the hilt...

                        new build thread http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=317505

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                        • Jaker
                          Wrencher
                          • Oct 2013
                          • 234

                          #207
                          I'm not sure there is any true "choke" at the ends of the primaries. The 3-1 collector in the photo is 3 x 1.75" inlet and 1 x 2" outlet.



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                          • digger
                            R3V Elite
                            • Nov 2005
                            • 5904

                            #208
                            Oh ok, I looked at previous/first pic and there was optical illusion
                            89 E30 325is Lachs Silber - currently M20B31, M20B33 in the works, stroked to the hilt...

                            new build thread http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=317505

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                            • TheAxiom
                              Member
                              • Sep 2015
                              • 59

                              #209
                              Bump?
                              E92 Msport

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                              • hoveringuy
                                R3VLimited
                                • Dec 2005
                                • 2675

                                #210
                                Originally posted by TheAxiom
                                Bump?

                                Having the battery disconnected so much recently killed my cluster. No tach, no temp, etc. It's been at Bavarian Restoration where Greg r/r the SI board plus a few enhancements.

                                I'll try to make a dyno visit in January.
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