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  • JGood
    R3V OG
    • Jan 2004
    • 7959

    #166
    Originally posted by markseven
    I really don't understand why you are so confused about this:

    335i
    Curb weight: 3571
    HP: 300
    Power/weight ratio: 11.90

    332is (my car)
    Curb weight: 2720
    HP: 266
    Power/weight ratio: 10.25

    Peak power is rather irrelevant in drag racing, unless you have a CVT. Your power/weight ratio may be better at a certain RPM, but is that the case the whole way through your usable power band? It may be, I'm not doubting you. Just saying peak power isn't the whole story.

    An example, my friends 475whp Integra Type R only makes 475whp at 8000 rpm's or so. At 7000, it's probably only 425. At 6000 it's probably only 350. A muscle car that makes 425whp flat from 3k to 6k, even if a bit heavier, would probably beat it. And if they both started at 3k rpm's or so, it would be a joke. The integra has a much better peak power to weight ratio, but it doesn't show the whole story.
    85 325e m60b44 6 speed / 89 535i
    e30 restoration and V8 swap
    24 Hours of Lemons e30 build

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    • Mr Two
      E30 Addict
      • Jul 2008
      • 590

      #167
      The thing is, the teg driver would have to be retarded to drop down as low as 3k.

      Running through the gears he probably never drops below 6k, and at higher speeds in a longer gear you spend a lot of time near redline.

      Power under the curve is all important, but in a street pull you're really only going to see the top end.

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      • JGood
        R3V OG
        • Jan 2004
        • 7959

        #168
        Originally posted by Mr Two
        The thing is, the teg driver would have to be retarded to drop down as low as 3k.

        Running through the gears he probably never drops below 6k, and at higher speeds in a longer gear you spend a lot of time near redline.

        Power under the curve is all important, but in a street pull you're really only going to see the top end.

        OK, my point wasn't exact. I'm just saying, you can't just look at peak numbers. You'll still see a 3k RPM range that power can vary in. When you're talking about motors that are within 30hp or so of each other, that is important.
        85 325e m60b44 6 speed / 89 535i
        e30 restoration and V8 swap
        24 Hours of Lemons e30 build

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        • markseven
          R3V Elite
          • Sep 2006
          • 5327

          #169
          Originally posted by JGood
          OK, my point wasn't exact. I'm just saying, you can't just look at peak numbers. You'll still see a 3k RPM range that power can vary in. When you're talking about motors that are within 30hp or so of each other, that is important.
          Gotcha. Point taken :D
          I Timothy 2:1-2

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          • Fidhle007
            I can fly, motherfucker
            • Oct 2005
            • 7209

            #170
            Originally posted by bimmer_E30
            Not bad.

            Would it be cheaper if you swap a M52? Fuck i am such a newb, i wish i have the skills to do work on my own cars lol :(
            The cheapest and most powerful would be an S50 swap because it doesn't require any OBD1 conversion. You might be able to find a low mileage M52 cheaper than an S50 but there's the added parts and time required to convert everything. PM me if you have more specific questions and I'll give you the rundown.
            '89 325is S50 Track Montser
            '04 X5 Daily/Tow Vehicle

            http://www.avarestoration.com

            http://www.myspace.com/brendanfiddle


            Click here if you want to be my zombie slave...

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            • shiboujin
              R3VLimited
              • Feb 2006
              • 2791

              #171
              This is "Yoshi Slides @ ODS 1/23/10" by pr0craztinazn on Vimeo, the home for high quality videos and the people who love them.


              not my best by far but you get the point.

              Status: HG repair. 488wtq though!

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              • Uber E30
                E30 Fanatic
                • Aug 2008
                • 1409

                #172
                Originally posted by Devin1205
                I agree that there is the right way as I too have been a bmw tech for over 10 years and have training on e36s to our s85's(which like to drop valves) not every motor needs all those parts and thats why engine builders get paid good to replace whats needed and not shoot every part just because it might have a few miles on them. most of us know that many of these motors will way out last our cars with the current rate of destruction so I don't believe in spending money (unless customers want the extra extra insurance) when funds could be stretched to other needed parts. to add a little up 1k for head 1k for bottomend (which is way over priced) is 2k total and you got a new motor, not 5k. lets rebuild these great cars one at a time without trowing our hard earned money out the window(again not saying you are) i just like to give people educated choices for themselves to make.
                WTF, my machine work alone cost me 1+K, not to mention all the gaskets, seals, bearings, bolts, rings, pistons, the actual engine, and a bunch of other stuff. 5k is pretty dead on.
                -Alex

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                • nando
                  Moderator
                  • Nov 2003
                  • 34827

                  #173
                  yeah I want to know how you do a full rebuild (not just a reseal) on a 24v head for $1000, parts and labor. lol.
                  Build thread

                  Bimmerlabs

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                  • Uber E30
                    E30 Fanatic
                    • Aug 2008
                    • 1409

                    #174
                    smexy 0 mile crank?


                    -Alex

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                    • Fidhle007
                      I can fly, motherfucker
                      • Oct 2005
                      • 7209

                      #175
                      Originally posted by nando
                      yeah I want to know how you do a full rebuild (not just a reseal) on a 24v head for $1000, parts and labor. lol.
                      He's spending $1000 on gasket sealer.
                      '89 325is S50 Track Montser
                      '04 X5 Daily/Tow Vehicle

                      http://www.avarestoration.com

                      http://www.myspace.com/brendanfiddle


                      Click here if you want to be my zombie slave...

                      http://www.youtube.com/user/Fidhle007

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                      • jrdeamicis
                        E30 Modder
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 956

                        #176
                        Originally posted by Uber E30
                        smexy 0 mile crank?


                        Look at those sexy hands.
                        Past Car : E30 S50 6 Speed 5 Lug 3.73
                        Current : Z3 S50 OBD2 (Smog Legal) 6 Speed BBS RN Dual Ear Diff
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                        • Uber E30
                          E30 Fanatic
                          • Aug 2008
                          • 1409

                          #177
                          Originally posted by jrdeamicis
                          Look at those sexy hands.
                          I know! Lets finish this bad boy up!
                          -Alex

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