M54. Let the foolishness begin.

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  • s_ribs
    Grease Monkey
    • Dec 2007
    • 344

    #286
    Read through the whole thread last night and this morning - fantastic! Impressive how 'easy' you made it all sound. Hope to see more newer engine swaps like this and curious how the future N52 swap will go.
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    1991 318i Sedan Project

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    • hoveringuy
      R3VLimited
      • Dec 2005
      • 2679

      #287
      1/4 time

      Dynos are great, but the 1/4 mile is the true measure of performance. It's the same distance everywhere.

      Here are my numbers:

      60'......2.042
      330.....5.948
      1/8.....9.122 at 77.39
      1000...11.825
      1/4.....14.057 at 102.95

      14 jives with the et calculators for a 2900 lb vehicle with 210 whp. (yes, I account for 200 lbs..)

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      • tominizer
        Noobie
        • Feb 2005
        • 5

        #288
        .......... things that make you go "hmmmmmmmmm"


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        • digger
          R3V Elite
          • Nov 2005
          • 5912

          #289
          Originally posted by hoveringuy
          Dynos are great, but the 1/4 mile is the true measure of performance. It's the same distance everywhere.
          tracks may be same length but some are not level, different altitude, different ambient conditions, different surface preparations.........
          89 E30 325is Lachs Silber - currently M20B31, M20B33 in the works, stroked to the hilt...

          new build thread http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=317505

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          • hoveringuy
            R3VLimited
            • Dec 2005
            • 2679

            #290
            Originally posted by digger
            tracks may be same length but some are not level, different altitude, different ambient conditions, different surface preparations.........
            Yeah, but if I say it traps at 103 everyone knows what that means. Not like 215rwhp... was that on a dynopak, mustang or dynojet?

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            • Wh33lhop
              R3V OG
              • Feb 2009
              • 11705

              #291
              Originally posted by hoveringuy
              Yeah, but if I say it traps at 103 everyone knows what that means. Not like 215rwhp... was that on a dynopak, mustang or dynojet?
              That's true, but tracks don't exactly offer SAE correction either. ;)
              paint sucks

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              • digger
                R3V Elite
                • Nov 2005
                • 5912

                #292
                Originally posted by hoveringuy
                Yeah, but if I say it traps at 103 everyone knows what that means. Not like 215rwhp... was that on a dynopak, mustang or dynojet?
                103mph is not the same at all tracks in terms of how much performance it takes to reach that speed............so in a way its no different.....need to know density altitude, etc etc etc.

                No doubt tracks are for judging performance and dynos for power but just like dynos its not as simple as comparing numbers....
                89 E30 325is Lachs Silber - currently M20B31, M20B33 in the works, stroked to the hilt...

                new build thread http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=317505

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                • Iain
                  R3VLimited
                  • Oct 2005
                  • 2815

                  #293
                  Originally posted by digger
                  103mph is not the same at all tracks in terms of how much performance it takes to reach that speed............so in a way its no different.....need to know density altitude, etc etc etc.

                  No doubt tracks are for judging performance and dynos for power but just like dynos its not as simple as comparing numbers....
                  You're splitting hairs and over complicating it, in all fairness. With the vehicle weight and trap speed you have an accurate enough figure using the time-honoured Moroso slide. The effect of "uphill" tracks and air density is bunk unless you're running a Group 1-level drag car. In my experience tyre pressures make far more difference than air temp humidity and if you're racing uphill at Eastern Creek or downhill at WSID

                  Sure, it won't tell you precisely how many .975436 of a kw you have but who cares, really?
                  Pork Hunt Motorsport

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                  • hoveringuy
                    R3VLimited
                    • Dec 2005
                    • 2679

                    #294
                    Gratuitous engine pictures

                    Engine bay is looking cleaner!




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                    • CorvallisBMW
                      Long Schlong Longhammer
                      • Feb 2005
                      • 13039

                      #295
                      Looking good!!

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                      • I got it, yes!!
                        Wrencher
                        • Feb 2007
                        • 206

                        #296
                        Steve, were you on bangor on sunday??? I was in my buddies black e39 leaving work. It was about 3pm.

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                        • Wh33lhop
                          R3V OG
                          • Feb 2009
                          • 11705

                          #297
                          You are my goddamn hero. Got any sound clips with the euro headers?
                          paint sucks

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                          • hoveringuy
                            R3VLimited
                            • Dec 2005
                            • 2679

                            #298
                            throttle body

                            So I've been working on the electronic throttle to get a permanent fix to my M50 throttle body. The electronic stuff was working great when Michael Hoy in Denmark mentioned that he could make a throttle body to fit the M54 that would use M50 components.

                            His work is superlative!

                            My inital reaction was the that the larger bore made the engine much more responsive, but I think that was due to a quicker increase in airflow at a given throttle position. After a day of driving I've adjusted to how the throttle responds more quickly, but I'm convinced that the motor pulls harder.

                            My theory is that BMW probably tried a larger TB on the S50 but decided that 4 or 5 extra hp wasn't worth the trouble of manufacturing a new unit so they stuck with their existing parts bin. They went larger on all subsequent 3.0 litre engines including the M54. I think all S50s should have one!




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                            • Elysian
                              Mod Crazy
                              • Apr 2010
                              • 674

                              #299
                              How much did that run you?

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                              • Danny
                                Moderator
                                • Feb 2008
                                • 14217

                                #300
                                Is it just bolt on to the s50, steve?

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