Who is running a potent N/A set up?

[Wanganstyle]

Wow. You really crack me up Wangan.

Every major breakthough in our society has come from individuals and not the "organized machine" as you put it.

How can you write anyone off without knowing anything about them?
I am interested in hearing about anyone who is making power out of old bmw 2 valves, but digger is the only one to talk about anything substantial so far.

the only information I can locate on this paul bruk engine builder is fan boy stuff on one old e28 website and posts pushing unfinished products / promoting himself on BFC and then getting reprimanded by moderators as he is not a paying vendor to the site.

this reflection does not make p-b sound like someone I would send a 5 digit check to for a built S38/m88/m30/m90. the man himself even posts some outlandish things I find hard to believe. Reminds me of snake oil....... Turbo blue.....and the great idea of "affirmative action"


organized machine: created the thing called internet which you are now blowing smoke with.

Specialist lonestar engine builders can easily spec custom parts from any supply chain facility- I'm sorry if they can't do the math required to finance and scale production properly- Math/finance breakdown is a critical issue with the mye28 paul burk crowd.

Lone Genuis falls short in a real attempt at production against an organized machine; reference inventions like "the computer mouse" designed by an organization. Lone genuis creation I think not.

Every single successful professional racing team is a accumulation of all the talents of team members and engineers- how is this a lone genius success area?

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if you are truly a racing engine systems professional - why the flagrant fan-boi-ism on a particular man you have a fancy with? There are many people building these antique engines... no need to hold hands and say somebody is great- do you even have one of these "paul burk" engines?
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have found no dynos, no videos, no reviews of this person you love. No racing history or cars, not in historic media or current. Perhaps I am just oblivious to the world as this guy must have built engines for senna in the 80's. this Must be the reason why Mye28 is so in love with this guy.


Digger:

how would one increase the power of a m20 with 210rwhp to about 270rwhp? I know a toyota 22r 4 cylinder can do over 300hp naturally aspirated with 2valves, seriously worked.

where does induction / cam/ flow setup create 60rwhp on an already reasonably efficient setup? Also what kind of high RPM adaptations for oiling have been done keeping the sump a wet system?

IS the Jackshaft drive oiling of the M20 with belt to sproket-> cam to dizzy or transfer gear-> jack shaft to oil pump really efficient for oiling at high RPM? is this not a wasteful energy setup?? Has anyone successfully installed the oil pump of a M50 into the M20 with a M50 family crankshaft?

[LJ851]

Lone Genuis falls short in a real attempt at production against an organized machine; reference inventions like "the computer mouse" designed by an organization. Lone genuis creation I think not.

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if you are truly a racing engine systems professional - why the flagrant fan-boi-ism on a particular man you have a fancy with? There are many people building these antique engines... no need to hold hands and say somebody is great- do you even have one of these "paul burk" engines?
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The big 6 is no special item, and has been built by dinan for decades.

have found no dynos, no videos, no reviews of this person you love. No racing history or cars, not in historic media or current. Perhaps I am just oblivious

Its pointless to fan boy something if you don't even own the product - what good does it do you?



Digger:

how would one increase the power of a m20 with 210rwhp to about 270rwhp? I know a toyota 22r 4 cylinder can do over 300hp naturally aspirated with 2valves, seriously worked.

where does induction / cam/ flow setup create 60rwhp on an already reasonably efficient setup? Also what kind of high RPM adaptations for oiling have been done keeping the sump a wet system?

IS the Jackshaft drive oiling of the M20 with belt to sproket-> cam to dizzy or transfer gear-> jack shaft to oil pump really efficient for oiling at high RPM? is this not a wasteful energy setup?? Has anyone successfully installed the oil pump of a M50 into the M20 with a M50 family crankshaft?

I don't blow smoke.

No fan boy, just trying to help 2v NA BMW power, I don't see you offering anything at all.

Get your shit built wherever you want, i could not care less.

Why are you so defensive, your way is not the only way.

I have nothing to gain in this thread. (And you sure are delivering!)

I currently do not have any engine parts or labor performed by anyone but myself, but when the time comes i will choose who i prefer.

Not everybody presents themselves on the internet, some choose real life and are thus difficult to find on the internet.

I wil revise one statement: Almost every major breakthrough/innovation in our society came from a non corporate entity.





Can we Please get this thread back onto NA BMW 2 Valve power and firmly away from Wangan Puffy Chest?

[Bearmw]

Wangan it appears to me though that you failed in proving your points with your bit of internet "research" on arious forums and I can personally say that PB has certainly gone above and beyond with product and service as far as I'm concerned...and no I don't have the data to back it up because it's just my opinion and as you know everyone has one.

My observation is that engineers can be an unusual and occassionally strange bunch (having been raised by a MIT educated metallurgist). That being said I have a lot of respect for engineers/designers/fabricators/mechanics for what they can do...and especially appreciate new products and knowledge pertaining to our hobby. I think it's best if we don't see this hobby as a game that needs to be won by being (or acting as if we are) smarter than the rest. Jlevie is a guy that comes to mind as a guy with a lot of M20 knowledge (compared to me anyway) but he also combines it with a helpful and non-condescending attitude. So thanks PB and Jlevie and others for what you provide to the community. Now back on topic;)

[Daeldalus]

first there is far too much talk about m/s50 swaps and turbos. this thread is about NA horsepower. a little is fine but not every other post.

so I am going to ask two specific questions.

what would a 2.7i rebuilt with full exhaust including tuned headers, 288 cam, valve job, head porting, miller maf + war chip, bigger injectors, intake done the right way, and AC removed put down to the wheels?

then what would a say 150k b25 with exhaust and standard long tube headers, 284 cam, intake, m30 afm, 17.5# injectors, and markD 7000k chip put down to the wheels?

[nny403]

Check what the Datsun L28 world for information on triple Weber setups you may be achieve the power you desire with less complicated setup. Google it and Rowland intakes you might be pleased.

[digger]

It all starts with the head, without a head that flows enough you simply aren’t going to get above about 300hp no matter what you do. You need at least approx 200-210+CFM @ max cam lift and 28” water to have the potential to get there. The velocity also needs to be correct so getting flow at the expense of velocity is a false economy. The Semi Hemi 885 with the correct squish and piston is an efficient setup.

[e30trooper]

na m20

[digger]

definitely the chepeast way to go fast is weight reduction

[Baxter Auburn]

Like people have said if you want NA power is takes money my engine build has cost me over 11k now for a 3.2 stroker and im still working out kinks with tuning. Look into getting a head done that will give you an increase that you will actually notice if you talk to myster-e performance he can build a head to do what you are looking for he did a hell of a nice job on mine. If you are looking to do an exhaust make sure your not just going to throw on a muffler unless you are simply looking for sound look to do a full exhaust with shorty headers or long tube. I wouldnt personally recommend a chip that is just a plug in and go you want to be able to adjust your tune according for your exact build.

[2mAn]

so people use the M52 crank to get to 2.8L, what do you use to get over 3L? S52 crank?

[nando]

yes, S52B32 or M54B30. both are 89.6mm. dunno if there are other differences, as M54's have pretty nasty harmonics issues.

[2mAn]

ok, let the searching begin....

who are some good places to get pistons from? I know Metric Mechanic has them, but at $215 a piece it seems a little steep. I dont have a problem paying extra if there is a valid reason. Ireland Engineering has them for much less and I know that Ross Racing makes their pistons and those are certainly high quality.

[Baxter Auburn]

I personally got mine for IE so i have the ross racing pistons which i have no complaints about but i called metric mechanics after i began questioning IE on why i hadnt received my pistons with my piston rods when on the packing list my pistons were supposed to be with them... Anywho if you call metric mechanic you will understand why their prices are higher by just speaking with anyone there personally if i hadnt already purchased from IE that is the route i would go.

[downforce22]

yes, S52B32 or M54B30. both are 89.6mm. dunno if there are other differences, as M54's have pretty nasty harmonics issues.

They are the same part number, so cranks should be exactly the same.

[digger]

i would use JE who can reproduce the original piston crown shape if using an 885 head