200whp with stock N/A rotating assy?

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  • digger
    R3V Elite
    • Nov 2005
    • 5909

    #196
    once over 100 it doesn't mean anything if i understand correctly as it doesnt relate to what the engine wants for fueling

    the injector is continuously open all that matters is how lean it got thats how much excess air there was. if it got to stoich then for 13:1 add 10% plus 20% to get it to 80% duty

    the injector wont work consistently at 100%

    mine made 225whp on 24lb at 78% duty IIRC, my 30lb run at 65% (12.1ms 6000rpm) with same level of power
    Last edited by digger; 01-22-2016, 02:55 PM.
    89 E30 325is Lachs Silber - currently M20B31, M20B33 in the works, stroked to the hilt...

    new build thread http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=317505

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    • ForcedFirebird
      R3V OG
      • Feb 2007
      • 8300

      #197
      Put 24lb in tonight and preliminary tuned it, will dyno tune tomorrow.
      john@m20guru.com
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      • digger
        R3V Elite
        • Nov 2005
        • 5909

        #198
        Originally posted by ForcedFirebird
        Put 24lb in tonight and preliminary tuned it, will dyno tune tomorrow.
        AFR's on the WB look ok?
        89 E30 325is Lachs Silber - currently M20B31, M20B33 in the works, stroked to the hilt...

        new build thread http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=317505

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        • ForcedFirebird
          R3V OG
          • Feb 2007
          • 8300

          #199
          Yeah. Just tough to get in high gears with a loud race car and industrial/public streets. If they are too small, will order, but the customer is getting antsy about having his car back. Did some rough calcs based on old vs new flow etc, should be in the 80's duty as you suggested. Time will tell though, eh?
          john@m20guru.com
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          Transaction feedback: Here, here and here. Thanks :D

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          • LJ851
            R3V OG
            • Nov 2010
            • 7918

            #200
            Cant wait to see the results!!
            Lorin


            Originally posted by slammin.e28
            The M30 is God's engine.

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            • whitebulat22
              Grease Monkey
              • Apr 2014
              • 330

              #201
              Wow, my 2.7i is fun, but i can't believe how much this setup stepped up from oem and can't wait to see what the new tune does!

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              • ForcedFirebird
                R3V OG
                • Feb 2007
                • 8300

                #202
                Had some fun today at the dyno. Made a best peak hp @ 217, but that was with the runners shortened and mid range TQ suffered. Overall best "power under the curve" was a peak of 214hp/202tq.

                Sorting the graphs, will post some up.
                john@m20guru.com
                Links:
                Transaction feedback: Here, here and here. Thanks :D

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                • tinkerputzer
                  E30 Addict
                  • Jun 2008
                  • 508

                  #203
                  Nice work John :up: Man would i love to run some of those RHD itb's on my 3.1 with a better cam.

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                  • ForcedFirebird
                    R3V OG
                    • Feb 2007
                    • 8300

                    #204
                    Ugh. First I grabbed the wrong folder from the dyno PC, so can't post any graphs right now, but that's not the worst part.

                    The vapor in the video turned out to be a developing problem. Got worse today, so opened up the valve cover when we got her back in the shop. Lots of milkshake on the back of it, but dip stick looks clean - threw the pressure tester on it and that stupid #6 cam journal cracked :(
                    john@m20guru.com
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                    Transaction feedback: Here, here and here. Thanks :D

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                    • digger
                      R3V Elite
                      • Nov 2005
                      • 5909

                      #205
                      Originally posted by ForcedFirebird
                      Had some fun today at the dyno. Made a best peak hp @ 217, but that was with the runners shortened and mid range TQ suffered. Overall best "power under the curve" was a peak of 214hp/202tq.

                      Sorting the graphs, will post some up.
                      i found there was about 10-15ft-ftlb loss in midrange at 4000-5600rpm with 2" shorter runners but only 1hp more
                      89 E30 325is Lachs Silber - currently M20B31, M20B33 in the works, stroked to the hilt...

                      new build thread http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=317505

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                      • ForcedFirebird
                        R3V OG
                        • Feb 2007
                        • 8300

                        #206
                        :(



                        john@m20guru.com
                        Links:
                        Transaction feedback: Here, here and here. Thanks :D

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                        • digger
                          R3V Elite
                          • Nov 2005
                          • 5909

                          #207
                          shit!!! mayo
                          89 E30 325is Lachs Silber - currently M20B31, M20B33 in the works, stroked to the hilt...

                          new build thread http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=317505

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                          • ForcedFirebird
                            R3V OG
                            • Feb 2007
                            • 8300

                            #208
                            Originally posted by digger
                            i found there was about 10-15ft-ftlb loss in midrange at 4000-5600rpm with 2" shorter runners but only 1hp more
                            Pretty consistent with here. Duty cycle is close to yours, too. These Ford 24lb injectors are the single pintle and shoot pretty sharp.
                            john@m20guru.com
                            Links:
                            Transaction feedback: Here, here and here. Thanks :D

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                            • ForcedFirebird
                              R3V OG
                              • Feb 2007
                              • 8300

                              #209
                              Head is off, new core is being prepped/ported/machined. Owner was a bit bummed, but happy it was noticed now, and not after the coolant wiped out his new engine.

                              Worst part is, the old head was pressure tested and ran for a year before it cracked. Never overheated, but was abused.
                              john@m20guru.com
                              Links:
                              Transaction feedback: Here, here and here. Thanks :D

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                              • bmwmaster81
                                Member
                                • Sep 2012
                                • 49

                                #210
                                Omg, bad luck.
                                This happened also to my old engine the head cracked at the same place.
                                Then i rebuilt it and the head gasket blew out on 5th zylinder.






                                Now with my new build i try to reinforce the head as much as possible.




                                With Arp bolts and O-ringing an plates like the turbo guys do.........i hope it will help. Becase when the head will be fu...... up the next time, this will be the finish with m20 in my car and i sadly switch to another engine.

                                Maybe we should put all information together to research why it cracks and look out for possibilities to solve this problem......

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