Das Beast: My E30 track / street build

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  • digger
    R3V Elite
    • Nov 2005
    • 5909

    #1711
    what exactly was changed this time? i know rods and slugs with high CR but is it still 2.8L (84 stroke) or 3L (bigger crank?) as per title of graph? other significant changes?

    did you log boost curve for the run and have an overlay for the whole run?

    extra cubes may cause the change in curve, as may non retarded cam timing depending on specifics or depending the boost curve may be different despite peak being the same

    10psi isn't enough boost though
    89 E30 325is Lachs Silber - currently M20B31, M20B33 in the works, stroked to the hilt...

    new build thread http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=317505

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    • Northern
      R3V Elite
      • Nov 2010
      • 5033

      #1712
      +1 for boost log, does boost taper off?
      Originally posted by priapism
      My girl don't know shit, but she bakes a mean cupcake.
      Originally posted by shameson
      Usually it's best not to know how much money you have into your e30

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      • Digitalwave
        is a poseur
        • Oct 2003
        • 6276

        #1713
        Looking good and glad you finally got it tuned! Time to get back on the track!!

        RISING EDGE

        Let's drive fast and have fun.

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        • dvallis
          E30 Fanatic
          • Oct 2015
          • 1472

          #1714
          Oops. Need to change the graph title to M20B28. It's still 84 bore, 84 stroke with M52B28 crank. Only changes were forged JE 10:1 CR pistons with deeper valve pockets, forged rods and Garrett GT3076R oil/water BB turbo. Timing is fixed at TDC, no variable cam gear.

          New torque numbers are from a CSV. I had to pick the HP off a pdf printout so they're slightly wonky. Tuner is sending me updated CSVs today. I'll repost data. It has boost and AFR as well.
          "And then we broke the car. Again." Mark Donohue, "The Unfair Advantage"

          1987 E30 3L Turbo Stroker Das Beast
          2002 E39 M5

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          • Northern
            R3V Elite
            • Nov 2010
            • 5033

            #1715
            You could calculate the HP from the torque value ( Torque * RPM/5252 ) in the CSV as well, might save you a minute or two of staring at the graph
            Originally posted by priapism
            My girl don't know shit, but she bakes a mean cupcake.
            Originally posted by shameson
            Usually it's best not to know how much money you have into your e30

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            • dvallis
              E30 Fanatic
              • Oct 2015
              • 1472

              #1716
              Nice call on the formula. Magic number was a bit different for curve to overlay the PDF data but shape was exactly the same.

              AND I'm an idiot. Surprised nobody called me out on it. GREEN is TORQUE, RED IS HP. I had the legend reversed. (it was late)

              I don't have the boost data yet but remember seeing it on the monitor. I it hit full boost at or before 3800 RPM and stayed flat as a strap. Torque taper above 5K is octane limiting ability to add more timing.

              Last edited by dvallis; 11-23-2021, 01:03 PM.
              "And then we broke the car. Again." Mark Donohue, "The Unfair Advantage"

              1987 E30 3L Turbo Stroker Das Beast
              2002 E39 M5

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              • Northern
                R3V Elite
                • Nov 2010
                • 5033

                #1717
                Ok that makes more sense haha, I am dumb and was just wondering why the HP was dropping off aggressively at the top end. Makes sense that it was torque.
                Originally posted by priapism
                My girl don't know shit, but she bakes a mean cupcake.
                Originally posted by shameson
                Usually it's best not to know how much money you have into your e30

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                • digger
                  R3V Elite
                  • Nov 2005
                  • 5909

                  #1718
                  It also seems the thicker lines cross at about 5000 rather than 5252. The thin ones seem to cross correctly
                  89 E30 325is Lachs Silber - currently M20B31, M20B33 in the works, stroked to the hilt...

                  new build thread http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=317505

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                  • dvallis
                    E30 Fanatic
                    • Oct 2015
                    • 1472

                    #1719
                    Yeah. I'll compare when I get the run file
                    "And then we broke the car. Again." Mark Donohue, "The Unfair Advantage"

                    1987 E30 3L Turbo Stroker Das Beast
                    2002 E39 M5

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                    • dvallis
                      E30 Fanatic
                      • Oct 2015
                      • 1472

                      #1720
                      Better Dyno Chart

                      We had an error on CSV export that goofed up the data. Here's a proper dyno sheet from the new data. HP and TQ cross at 5252. Added AFR and Boost data as well.

                      Last edited by dvallis; 11-23-2021, 07:35 PM.
                      "And then we broke the car. Again." Mark Donohue, "The Unfair Advantage"

                      1987 E30 3L Turbo Stroker Das Beast
                      2002 E39 M5

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                      • Elysian
                        Mod Crazy
                        • Apr 2010
                        • 674

                        #1721
                        Damn that car has got to be a hoot now.

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                        • Northern
                          R3V Elite
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 5033

                          #1722
                          I can imagine it is, that's a big increase in area under the curve
                          Originally posted by priapism
                          My girl don't know shit, but she bakes a mean cupcake.
                          Originally posted by shameson
                          Usually it's best not to know how much money you have into your e30

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                          • dvallis
                            E30 Fanatic
                            • Oct 2015
                            • 1472

                            #1723
                            I'll find out. Been driving at partial throttle the past 100 miles before getting tuned. Now I can go full Sasquatch and see just how much of a hoot it is : - )
                            "And then we broke the car. Again." Mark Donohue, "The Unfair Advantage"

                            1987 E30 3L Turbo Stroker Das Beast
                            2002 E39 M5

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                            • dvallis
                              E30 Fanatic
                              • Oct 2015
                              • 1472

                              #1724
                              Final touch on the car. While we were doing full power passes on the dyno, waste gate hoses melted. Heat conducted from the manifold, through the waste gate, into hose barb fittings. Literally melted the hose ends like taffy.



                              Solution? Hard lines.

                              Inverted flare tube nuts and 3/16" brake line are the basis of the refit. There's a how-to way back in the blog. Requires a flare kit and tube bender.



                              Added inverted flare female fittings to the waste gate and boost controller..



                              Charge pipe got a new 1/8" NPT weld bung, then added 90 degree female flare fitting.



                              Boost controller, strain relief rubber tube sections and DEI heat shield.



                              And here's the final product. Boost control is still great, snaps to 10 psi at WOT. That's about it. Off to the track.



                              Almost forgot to mention how it handles. Will take some practice figuring out how fast to roll on throttle in 2nd. Too fast and it just spins the rear tires. Once you're in 3rd, it will take WOT immediately, then only 2-3 seconds to redline. I set up the sequential shift lights today so that will help.




                              "And then we broke the car. Again." Mark Donohue, "The Unfair Advantage"

                              1987 E30 3L Turbo Stroker Das Beast
                              2002 E39 M5

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                              • dvallis
                                E30 Fanatic
                                • Oct 2015
                                • 1472

                                #1725
                                9Lives wing on order.




                                "And then we broke the car. Again." Mark Donohue, "The Unfair Advantage"

                                1987 E30 3L Turbo Stroker Das Beast
                                2002 E39 M5

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