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  • bmwman91
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    • Oct 2004
    • 3128

    #46
    Originally posted by nk1221
    Doesn't the cluster get the RPM readings from the crank position sensor? Maybe it's a faulty sensor, have you tried swapping it out with a different one?

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    Not directly. The CPS signal goes into the ECU. Then the ECU spits out 2 pulses per revolution (1 pulse per 180 degrees) to the cluster. So, the ECU is feeding junk signals to the cluster for some reason. Either the ECU is bad, or it is getting a bad CPS signal, both of which seem unlikely based on what the OP has replaced. I am still thinking that no chip or a bad chip is installed in the ECU case. All maps AND program executable code are on the chip, so if it is missing or bad, things are not going to work right.

    Was the ECU swapped with a new one, or a used known-working one? A new one might not have a chip in it, and if it was used, maybe the previous owner pulled out the chip beforehand?

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    • nk1221
      Member
      • Feb 2015
      • 56

      #47
      Ohhh I see! My bad!

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      • theTBLACK
        Advanced Member
        • Jan 2013
        • 156

        #48
        Originally posted by bmwman91
        Not directly. The CPS signal goes into the ECU. Then the ECU spits out 2 pulses per revolution (1 pulse per 180 degrees) to the cluster. So, the ECU is feeding junk signals to the cluster for some reason. Either the ECU is bad, or it is getting a bad CPS signal, both of which seem unlikely based on what the OP has replaced. I am still thinking that no chip or a bad chip is installed in the ECU case. All maps AND program executable code are on the chip, so if it is missing or bad, things are not going to work right.

        Was the ECU swapped with a new one, or a used known-working one? A new one might not have a chip in it, and if it was used, maybe the previous owner pulled out the chip beforehand?
        It was a used, known-working one. I'll crack it open and see if there is a chip inside.

        Will keep you guys updated.

        Could the AFM cause a non-start in any way?
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        • MVincken
          Member
          • Sep 2015
          • 75

          #49
          Originally posted by theTBLACK
          It was a used, known-working one. I'll crack it open and see if there is a chip inside.

          Will keep you guys updated.

          Could the AFM cause a non-start in any way?
          My m42 ran (barely) when I had forgotten to plug in the AFM.

          Are you sure you´re getting fuel in the cylinders?
          EWS blocking the fuel signal by the ECU perhaps?

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          • MVincken
            Member
            • Sep 2015
            • 75

            #50
            And what about youre injectors?
            When I rebuilded my m42 I let them be cleaned by my engine builder, but at the time I installed them about 3 months later 3 were already jammed again.
            Best to delete the upper intake manifold, take a 12v battery and check if they "tick"

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            • theTBLACK
              Advanced Member
              • Jan 2013
              • 156

              #51
              Originally posted by MVincken
              And what about youre injectors?
              When I rebuilded my m42 I let them be cleaned by my engine builder, but at the time I installed them about 3 months later 3 were already jammed again.
              Best to delete the upper intake manifold, take a 12v battery and check if they "tick"
              I'll double check all of that and report back!
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              • 5Toes
                Banned
                • May 2010
                • 9836

                #52
                does the CEL engine come on when ignition is first turned on, that light comes on when the DME powers up. check that.

                spark plug order, check that.

                crank pulley on in the correct orientation?

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                • nk1221
                  Member
                  • Feb 2015
                  • 56

                  #53
                  Have you gotten anywhere OP?

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                  • theTBLACK
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                    • Jan 2013
                    • 156

                    #54
                    Originally posted by 5Toes
                    does the CEL engine come on when ignition is first turned on, that light comes on when the DME powers up. check that.

                    spark plug order, check that.

                    crank pulley on in the correct orientation?
                    Had to tow the car to a shop closer to me. Spark plug order is correct. Crank pulley is right. Timing is spot on. Will check the CEL
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                    • theTBLACK
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                      • Jan 2013
                      • 156

                      #55
                      Originally posted by nk1221
                      Have you gotten anywhere OP?

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                      Nothing yet. Fuel, air, spark, no fire. Nobody can figure it out. At this point, I'm thinking its faulty wiring or sensor somewhere
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                      • bmwman91
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                        • Oct 2004
                        • 3128

                        #56
                        Is there any possibility that you got the crank damper wheel installed incorrectly, like 180 degrees off? It is supposed to align on a dowel on the front output flange thingy (which is supposed to align to a woodruff key in the crank snout). Parts 6, 7, 8 and 9...were they all in there correctly?

                        http://www.realoem.com/bmw/enUS/show...diagId=11_4319

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                        • Balleristic31
                          R3V Elite
                          • Aug 2009
                          • 4198

                          #57
                          Any chance you swapped the coolant temp sensor plugs around? Or the coolant temp sensor is bad?

                          I had an issue similar to your's on an m20 car that ended up being a coolant temp sensor being faulty causing a no start even with all the other proper conditions (fuel, spark, etc..)

                          -NICK

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                          • theTBLACK
                            Advanced Member
                            • Jan 2013
                            • 156

                            #58
                            Back at it again - cranking and wants to fire with fluid but no dice. Also, the plugs are dry. Probably injector issue. What would cause that? I've tried different DME.
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                            • varg
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                              • May 2014
                              • 3288

                              #59
                              Have you cranked with the fuel rail out (injectors attached) and verified that they are firing?

                              The injectors get +12V from the main relay via the red/white wire coming from Pin 87, leading to the harness box under the intake manifold. Verify +12V is present here when cranking. The ECU grounds the injectors in pairs (1&3, 2&4) to fire them. If you haven't, check continuity of the wires between the injectors and the ECU (pins 3 and 32)

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                              • theTBLACK
                                Advanced Member
                                • Jan 2013
                                • 156

                                #60
                                Here is what I did today.

                                1. I noticed the spark plugs were dry - so I double checked the fuel lines. They were on backwards this whole damn time, so I swapped them. Then they were wet. Fixed that issue

                                2. I checked for spark and I'm getting it.

                                3. Checked compression. Good on all cylinders.

                                4. Stomp test again - no codes.

                                5. Tried to different DME. No difference.

                                Any ideas where to look or diagnose next?
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