Any Vegans on the board?

[gwb72tii]

cut the carbs and increase the fat, endure the carb flu then see the energy you experience

there's more to it than carbs vs fat
wheat products, along with dairy products are inflammatory in your system

[herbivor]

One farmer says to me, "You cannot live on vegetable food solely, for it furnishes nothing to make the bones with;" and so he religiously devotes a part of his day to supplying himself with the raw material of bones; walking all the while he talks behind his oxen, which, with vegetable-made bones, jerk him and his lumbering plow along in spite of every obstacle. ~Henry David Thoreau

[u3b3rg33k]

This thread:

[Swanny]

[squidmaster]

As far as the hunter thing, I posted a link about it in a past post or something. I mean, humans weren't huge, predators with claws or a means of attack until the development of tools, which wasn't a long period between tools and stagnant agriculture. quote]

Bullshit. here's a small excerpt of an scholarly paper you should read. i guess you must be too young to have heard of Dr. Leakey.

notice also the idea of Neanderthal as 2.5 million years ago is corrected.

a link to the entire paper is provided below. oh, wait, only vegans have the brains/integrity to footnote their posts.

The oldest recognizable tools made by members of the family of man are simple stone choppers, such as those discovered at Olduvai Gorge in Tanzania. These tools may have been made over 1 million years ago by Australopithecus, ancestor of modern man



http://history-world.org/stone_age.htm

I just have a few quips about tools and development.
"the first appearance of man as a tool-using mammal, which is believed to have occurred about 600,000 or 700,000 years ago"

There were fractured stones found about 1mil years ago, but "Fractured stones called eoliths have been considered the earliest tools, but it is impossible to distinguish man-made from naturally produced modifications in such stones." And even at that, these small stones wouldn't (and couldn't) be used to hunt game. It wasn't until a few hundred thousand years later that humans began developing actual tools and subsequently started fishing, hunting larger game, and propositioning crops.

I'm not, and never, said that humans never ate meat. What I am stating is that evidence builds toward early homo (neanderthalensis) were more of foragers and scavengers. Is that to say they didn't catch game ever? No. It would have, however, been small game along with bugs and reptiles, and sometimes fish.

It also talks about the first time that altatl were featured (spearmen), and that was in the upper paleolithic period which began 195k years ago. It also seems, from reading the article, that fish and shellfish were a much more popular eat, especially for communities that formed near water (which apparently quite a few did).

Definitely an interesting read! Thanks for the link

[RobertK]

RobertK, Last I checked, humans fit quite well into the omnivore category. (http://www.vrg.org/nutshell/omni.htm "There are a number of popular myths about vegetarianism that have no scientific basis in fact. One of these myths is that man is naturally a vegetarian because our bodies resemble plant eaters, not carnivores. In fact we are omnivores, capable of either eating meat or plant foods. The following addresses the unscientific theory of man being only a plant eater.") A "well balanced" diet would consist of fruits, nuts, vegetables, some grains, and a bit of meat here and there.

When I told my doctor about my meat intake (he asked), he looked a little concerned, ran bloodwork, and told me to keep doing whatever it is I'm doing when the numbers came back..

Based on pH levels though our bodies are much closure to herbivores than carnivores and since what you eat can heavily dictate your pH levels that's why I intend to stick to the 95/5 rule in my diet.

Aside from that most typical blood work tests tell very little about health other than cells counts that a computer spits out and tells the doctor if anything is abnormal.. When I found my first swollen lymph node I had 6 blood test over 3 months and was told "everything looks great just take these antibiotics" only to be told later "well Mr. Kadunce, looks like you were right, you DO have cancer.. guess we should have done that biopsy earlier."

Doctor's are glorified people mechanics and just like auto mechanics its hard to come across one that really gives a shit. Most are really good at putting on a show and getting you out the door. The sooner you become your own health advocate first the better. I've dealt with enough that I cut out the bullshit and tell them exactly how I feel about anything they say. If they don't like it they get fired.

One farmer says to me, "You cannot live on vegetable food solely, for it furnishes nothing to make the bones with;" and so he religiously devotes a part of his day to supplying himself with the raw material of bones; walking all the while he talks behind his oxen, which, with vegetable-made bones, jerk him and his lumbering plow along in spite of every obstacle. ~Henry David Thoreau

I love pointing this out to people because that's one of the biggest myths about diary... "If you don't consume dairy WHERE will you get calcium from?!?!".. "The same place the cows get it from." Then you see the light bulb flicker.

Vegans still get cancer. Every argument for a vegan diet is invalid.

Love the bullshit comments with no real source of research or information.

Everyone can get cancer because there are multiple variables that can cause cell mutation.

Yet the research and numbers speak for themselves. The first step to fighting cancer is prevention.

http://vegsource.com/harris/cancer_vegdiet.htm

[squidmaster]

Anyone tried spirulina supplements? 57.47 g protein per 100 g serving. I drink a few drinks that contain it, but never actually tried the supplement (I think you can get it in powder form as well for mixing).

"Spirulina contains 334% more protein than beef, 475% more calcium than whole milk, 5756% more iron than spinach, and is a rich source of B-complex vitamins, containing 118% more B12 than raw beef liver."

It's also a complete protein.

[Swanny]

Chia seed supplements...anyone try this out yet?

[u3b3rg33k]

Anyone tried spirulina supplements? 57.47 g protein per 100 g serving. I drink a few drinks that contain it, but never actually tried the supplement (I think you can get it in powder form as well for mixing).

"Spirulina contains 334% more protein than beef, 475% more calcium than whole milk, 5756% more iron than spinach, and is a rich source of B-complex vitamins, containing 118% more B12 than raw beef liver."

It's also a complete protein.

Most men get/have more iron than they should, especially if you eat red meat. The only way you can "fix" that is to donate blood (or cut yourself, but I'd recommend the former).

The complete protein argument is silly. Your body doesn't take beef and strategically place tiny parts of it in your muscles. it breaks it down into molecules and re-assembles it in whatever form it can/needs. are your percentages per serving? by volume? by mass? by hundredweight? by smoot?

[RobertK]

Most men get/have more iron than they should, especially if you eat red meat. The only way you can "fix" that is to donate blood (or cut yourself, but I'd recommend the former).

True, men should be careful especially with iron supplements. Too much can actually overload your liver.

[OniKyan]

Love the bullshit comments with no real source of research or information.

You mean yours?

[squidmaster]

Percentages are ratios though, it doesn't matter the serving size

The iron is 219%dv per 100mg, so it should be handled respectively.

[HarryPotter]

lmao oh lawd it's so good because it is so true.

[RobertK]

You mean yours?

If you can't provide anything insightful to the thread please go troll somewhere else.

[u3b3rg33k]

Percentages are ratios though, it doesn't matter the serving size

The iron is 219%dv per 100mg, so it should be handled respectively.

Serving size does matter - it relates to how much you actually eat. Kinda like the 20oz soda that contains 2.5 servings, and the 12oz can that contains one. WTF?

Speaking of RDA, find me someone that actually "needs" 2000mg of NaCl per day - that much on a regular day would give me serious hypertension; and I'd bet good money that the average person gets way more than 2g/day.

100% RDA of vitamin C is 60mg, which is enough to prevent scurvy. 20x that amount won't cause you any problems, and in the case of C, is arguably better for you than 60mg. My point is those numbers aren't all that useful.