Any Vegans on the board?

[squidmaster]

I didn't see this argument but I have heard before " humans have canine and sharp edged teeth, they were designed to cut" . How do people who refuse to eat meat or view it as a political issue feel about that statement.

Nope, we have two sorta sharp teeth, and the rest of our mouth consists of flat, grinding teeth for plant consumption. Look at any carnivores jaw and teeth, no where close yo the same.

[evandael]

i see your point. but i eat vegetables for the taste. meat isn't that great.

[Thizzelle]

Well fuck that's legit.

That's what I thought

[Thizzelle]

First define good. Constant consumption of animal products promotes cardiovascular, digestive problems and promote many of the top killing cancers.

It wasn't until the industrialization of farms that poor and middle class people were able to afford meat on a daily basis but only after making it cheaper which also made it less nutritional and full of omega 6 fats (instead of omega 3). Our bodies are designed to consume meat when the harvest is short of what we need to survive but our bodies and brain operate best on a diet heavy in omega 3s found mainly in nuts and green cruciferous vegetables.

I'm a firm believer of karma. When you kill a living animal to consume it there is a trade off in the toll it takes on your body to digest it and its no surpise to me that over consumption usually results in heart disease & cancers.

That is why I chose to treat the consumption of meat / dairy as a delicacy. Its a better mimic of how our bodies are meant to process it. The difference in how I feel is night and day.

lulz

[2761377]

Nope, we have two sorta sharp teeth, and the rest of our mouth consists of flat, grinding teeth for plant consumption. Look at any carnivores jaw and teeth, no where close yo the same.

well that's not true. humans have two incisors per jaw, two cuspid or canines per jaw and four bicuspid or premolars per jaw. just six molars per jaw. you really should google human dentition before spouting crap to support your theory of humans as herbivores.

human evolution involved a relatively weak, unspecialized mammal making a place in the world by adaptability. hunting and meat eating were crucial in the development of early human physiology, societies and culture.

if you want to spurn animal protein that's fine. don't try to make as if veganism represents a return to a primitive human diet. it's just not true.


hth
robert w.

[priapism]

Technically, we're omnivores. We evolved to eat pretty much anything. People in North Korea were mixing in grass and tree bark into their meager government rations to try to not starve to death during the great famine.

[herbivor]

Laughing at the comments. My wife and I have been vegan for 20 years. My wife has her degree in health and nutrition. I wont debate this on a forum, but I just wanted to say that ill informed people with opinions make me laugh. Knowing almost nothing on a subject never seems to stop people from giving their two cents. Keep up the "people need to eat meat crap" cause its making my day.

btw...we have three kids (18, 17, 13) all of whom are very healthy.

^This. I always find it funny how sensitive people are to this subject, like it's religion or something. Just keep an open mind and continue to read and educate yourself. Haters gonna hate.
BTW, Good reads are "The China Study" by T. Colin Campbell and "Thrive" by vegan triathlete world champion Brendon Brazier.

[chadthestampede]

I'm curious, what part of veganism causes the insufferable superiority complex?

[herbivor]

I'm curious, what part of veganism causes the insufferable superiority complex?

It's kind of like realizing you've been sick your whole life but not realizing it until you weren't sick anymore. And also realizing that most other people can stop being sick too if they choose to be. It's sort of eye opening for some and I suppose can come off as a superiority complex to those that have difficulty communicating the feeling.

[z31maniac]

I dont think there is anything wrong with eating animal products, what most Americans fail to get is that the average person eats way too much animal products.

[squidmaster]

well that's not true. humans have two incisors per jaw, two cuspid or canines per jaw and four bicuspid or premolars per jaw. just six molars per jaw. you really should google human dentition before spouting crap to support your theory of humans as herbivores.

human evolution involved a relatively weak, unspecialized mammal making a place in the world by adaptability. hunting and meat eating were crucial in the development of early human physiology, societies and culture.

if you want to spurn animal protein that's fine. don't try to make as if veganism represents a return to a primitive human diet. it's just not true.


hth
robert w.

you're right, there are four.
however:

"But aren’t humans anatomically suited to be omnivores? Nope. We don’t anatomically match up with omnivorous animals anymore than we do with carnivorous ones. Omnivores are more similar to carnivores than they are to herbivores."

http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/09/are-humans-carnivores-or-herbivores-2/

http://www.waoy.org/26.html

http://www.ocoy.org/2008/04/humans-are-we-carnivores-or-vegetarians-by-nature/

as it may be true that humans did eat flesh, we were more scavengers than the usual blood-thirsty hunts that are so much more interesting to watch on the history channel.

[2761377]

hunting as a group effort is responsible for the value humans place on the concept of 'team' and for the development of spoken language. and of course the successful hunters were more likely to perpetuate their genes.

there is no evidence that humans scavenged to any significant degree. way more evidence of cannibalism in human societies. the women gathered the produce and cared for junior while the physically stronger men subdued high energy protein carriers. that veganism is a viable lifestyle is the result of the success of higher civilization and not a survival prerequisite.

in short, you all can afford to be vegan because you are rich.

hth
robert w.


btw i missed 4 teeth in my count- the lateral incisors that abut the canines.

[Threehz]

Lots of good information in this thread, lots of of dumb comments as well.

The biggest problem with animal proteins is that they trigger, and catalyze the growth of cancer in the human body. "The China Study" as mentioned is a great read and very informative, but you can find information about this in many places.

Meat in general (bird, fish, mammal) isn't horrible for you besides that it promotes cancer. However, the meat you find in the grocery store is mostly factory farmed meat. Even if you don't care about the extremely abusive conditions these animals suffer, this meat is not good for you. These cattle are mostly pumped full of hormones, antibiotics, and still many of them end up getting chronic, resistant infections and diseases. Yet, disease ridden cattle are still milked, and used for meat.

Dairy is a whole different story. Dairy is bad for you for a number of reasons. The fact that humans are naturally allergic to it should be one big sign. The fact that any animals' milk is intended for THAT animal's babies is another sign. Dairy products contain the same animal proteins that promote cancer as well.

Many people have been saying that fish meat and chicken meat are good alternatives to beef. Chicken is no better than beef, and in many cases is worse because of the special diseases it carries, and the way factory farmed chicken is raised in. Fish is probably one of the best choices of meat, except for the heavy metals that are found in heavier and heavier doses in fish, especially large fish. In fact, because we have turned our oceans and lakes and rivers into toxic waste dumps, fish have become pretty full of toxins.

The absolute worst part of eating meat, especially beef, is the environmental impact. Cattle farming is destroying our forests, this deforestation is exterminating thousands of species (mainly from the rain forest, where most of the world's best medicine), consuming unimaginable amounts of resources (water, oil, electric), it is one of the largest emitters of methane (which contributes to the greenhouse effect 20 times more than CO2), and the list goes on and on.

If the resources that are put into cattle farming were redirected to growing vegetables, world hunger would be solved. In fact, there would also be enough water for everyone in the world as well. The 884,000,000 people who do not have access to clean water would not have to worry anymore.

I actually presented a Public Service Announcement today that I have been working on for a while. One of the most shocking facts I found during research was this:

If everyone living in the United States stopped eating beef for a year, the amount of water that would be saved (not used for cattle farming), is enough for every person living in the United States to have a healthy amount of drinking water (64 ounces or about two liters a day) for 250 years.

Just thought I would share some of these facts because so many people are saying who cares about their health, steak is tasty! Well eating meat is fucking the entire planet over, on an incredibly scary level.

Eating a vegan diet can provide you EVERYTHING you need to be healthy, there is a giant range of delicious foods and dishes that can be made, and there are so many ways that eating vegan can improve your life.

If you don't want to become a vegan, the most important ways to improve health through eating, is eating raw, whole foods, eliminating salt, fat, and sugar, and eliminating processed foods (of any kind).

Be smart R3v. Think about the planet, think about your health, think about your kids and their kids, and if you want to live to see them grow up, and in a nice world.

[F34R]

I fell asleep after "lots"

[RUFFLZ]

Lots of good information in this thread, lots of of dumb comments as well.

The biggest problem with animal proteins is that they trigger, and catalyze the growth of cancer in the human body. "The China Study" as mentioned is a great read and very informative, but you can find information about this in many places.

Meat in general (bird, fish, mammal) isn't horrible for you besides that it promotes cancer. However, the meat you find in the grocery store is mostly factory farmed meat. Even if you don't care about the extremely abusive conditions these animals suffer, this meat is not good for you. These cattle are mostly pumped full of hormones, antibiotics, and still many of them end up getting chronic, resistant infections and diseases. Yet, disease ridden cattle are still milked, and used for meat.

Dairy is a whole different story. Dairy is bad for you for a number of reasons. The fact that humans are naturally allergic to it should be one big sign. The fact that any animals' milk is intended for THAT animal's babies is another sign. Dairy products contain the same animal proteins that promote cancer as well.

Many people have been saying that fish meat and chicken meat are good alternatives to beef. Chicken is no better than beef, and in many cases is worse because of the special diseases it carries, and the way factory farmed chicken is raised in. Fish is probably one of the best choices of meat, except for the heavy metals that are found in heavier and heavier doses in fish, especially large fish. In fact, because we have turned our oceans and lakes and rivers into toxic waste dumps, fish have become pretty full of toxins.

The absolute worst part of eating meat, especially beef, is the environmental impact. Cattle farming is destroying our forests, this deforestation is exterminating thousands of species (mainly from the rain forest, where most of the world's best medicine), consuming unimaginable amounts of resources (water, oil, electric), it is one of the largest emitters of methane (which contributes to the greenhouse effect 20 times more than CO2), and the list goes on and on.

If the resources that are put into cattle farming were redirected to growing vegetables, world hunger would be solved. In fact, there would also be enough water for everyone in the world as well. The 884,000,000 people who do not have access to clean water would not have to worry anymore.

I actually presented a Public Service Announcement today that I have been working on for a while. One of the most shocking facts I found during research was this:

If everyone living in the United States stopped eating beef for a year, the amount of water that would be saved (not used for cattle farming), is enough for every person living in the United States to have a healthy amount of drinking water (64 ounces or about two liters a day) for 250 years.

Just thought I would share some of these facts because so many people are saying who cares about their health, steak is tasty! Well eating meat is fucking the entire planet over, on an incredibly scary level.

Eating a vegan diet can provide you EVERYTHING you need to be healthy, there is a giant range of delicious foods and dishes that can be made, and there are so many ways that eating vegan can improve your life.

If you don't want to become a vegan, the most important ways to improve health through eating, is eating raw, whole foods, eliminating salt, fat, and sugar, and eliminating processed foods (of any kind).

Be smart R3v. Think about the planet, think about your health, think about your kids and their kids, and if you want to live to see them grow up, and in a nice world.

THIS along with watching Forks Over Knives, is making me wanna initiate the transition from meat eating yolo nigga, to a vegan hipster.
jk about the hipster part, but seriously. I think I will taper off with red meats first and see how it feels. If I'm feeling fresh as f*ck subsequently, I will continue to cut out the rest. I'm 19, 6'2" & 175 lbs with a too-fast-for-my-own-good metabolism, but my energy is always pretty low.. I think this is due to my over-consumption of meats. ya?