Sick Rantorum

[FunfGan]

Here's the difference:

I am not bound by dogma and preordained beliefs. I am not superstitious. I welcome free thinking and open inquiry.

Those are three things that the major revealed monotheisms are very uncomfortable with. How many thousands of steps backwards will religion have to take before it realizes how utterly irrelevant and impotent it has become? It used to be a handy explanation for all things, but we have watched scientific inquiry, notwithstanding the Church's vain protestations continue to attempt to pry our understanding of the world out of the Dark Ages.

All religion can do these days, apparently, is promise life everlasting. Interestingly, this can be neither proven nor dis-proven, but given religion's track record elsewhere, I know which way I lean. But yet I remain open to change my ideas as new evidence is presented and explored. This is something religion has historically fought at every step.

So atheism, is not, and never will be a religion, for we do not need to punish, cajole and threaten others into adopting our lack of belief in the unbelievable. The thousands and thousands of gods man has invented for himself have come and gone through the ages. It's time we put them to rest for all of our good.

You act like you know all there is to know. Lets take another history lesson: during every age, man has thought they knew all and viewed old theories as crazy. In a hundred years, we will look back and laugh at what we know now. But what has lasted years and years with no credible arguments against? You guessed it.

I believe in a logical theory of how the world was created, and continues to run. How else would such a great and mighty world have been created? Using your theory, if we took apart a watch, placed all the parts in a bag and shook it, given enough time the watch would put itself together? Really?

Yeah, these are Christian extremists.. Just like their Muslim opposites (the extremists ones), they are the same, just on the other end of the spectrum..

They are against teaching evolution, but instead want to teach creationism. They would probably not opposed mandatory prayer in school, and they would love to call this country:

The christian United states of America. Just like Iran, under non-secular leadership, calls itself: Islamic Republic of Iran.

Is that what it was originally called? No. But you do see "One nation under God". And yes, we do not believe in evolution as it is taught, just as you do not believe in creationism, though you really don't have much proof.

[LBJefferies]

separation of church and state does not exist in the constitution, its simply not there

The First Amendment says otherwise.

[Frog]

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."
-First Amendment


The right to freedom of religion is so central to American democracy that it was enshrined in the First Amendment to the Constitution along with other fundamental rights such as freedom of speech and freedom of the press. In order to guarantee an atmosphere of absolute religious liberty, this country's founders also mandated the strict separation of church and state. Largely because of this prohibition against government regulation or endorsement of religion, diverse faiths have flourished and thrived in America since the founding of the republic. Indeed, James Madison, the father of the United States Constitution, once observed that "the [religious] devotion of the people has been manifestly increased by the total separation of the church from the state."
Americans are still among the most religious people in the world. Yet the government plays almost no role in promoting, endorsing or funding religious institutions or religious beliefs. Free from government control -- and without government assistance -- religious values, literature, traditions and holidays permeate the lives of our citizens and, in their diverse ways, form an integral part of our national culture. By maintaining the wall separating church and state, we can guarantee the continued vitality of religion in American life.

Is that what it was originally called? No. But you do see "One nation under God". And yes, we do not believe in evolution as it is taught, just as you do not believe in creationism, though you really don't have much proof.

Have you ever heard of fossils? I know that seems crazy since you must think that the world is 6000 years old... Your silly argument would work 100 years ago, but thanks to science, we do have proof, scientific proof. Evolution is real, and not just a majority of scientist agree, 99% of them agree (which is rare in the scientific world). Also, 99% of scientist are not religious.. Wonder why?

YOU don't have ANY proof..

Funny how the USA is THE MOST RELIGIOUS of all civilized countries.. Silly Americans..

[Frog]

The First Amendment says otherwise.

You sir, are correct.

[Frog]

You're doing the same exact thing my friend. Atheism is, in all ways, a religion. It is a set of beliefs, and how you live your life. You're saying that your beliefs trump my, or any other person on here's beliefs. Thats any different than if I were to try to trump my religion over say, an Islamic man or Jew?

Atheism is not a religion.

[LBJefferies]

You're doing the same exact thing my friend. Atheism is, in all ways, a religion. It is a set of beliefs, and how you live your life. You're saying that your beliefs trump my, or any other person on here's beliefs. Thats any different than if I were to try to trump my religion over say, an Islamic man or Jew?

Atheism is absolutely not a religion. Religion is faith in God. In other words, the very basis of religion is the belief in God without reason. Atheism is the lack of a belief in God because there is no evidence.

It actually makes me sick that people are trying to justify bringing religion into the government sphere. There is no greater threat to freedom in this nation than a religious government.

[FunfGan]

Atheism is absolutely not a religion. Religion is faith in God. In other words, the very basis of religion is the belief in God without reason. Atheism is the lack of a belief in God because there is no evidence.

It actually makes me sick that people are trying to justify bringing religion into the government sphere. There is no greater threat to freedom in this nation than a religious government.

Religion is a set of beliefs. I don't know what you're talking about. So nobody who founded our country had a "religion"?

[Kershaw]

Using your theory, if we took apart a watch, placed all the parts in a bag and shook it, given enough time the watch would put itself together? Really?

actually, it's funny you say that.

yes.

[FunfGan]

actually, it's funny you say that.

yes.

I will believe you when I see it. I do NOT have faith in that.

[Kershaw]

that's the difference between logical based thought and faith based thought.

apparently you do not understand the infinite. see my other thread. :P

[FunfGan]

that's the difference between logical based thought and faith based thought.

apparently you do not understand the infinite. see my other thread. :P

So which ones logical? You can't prove what you just claimed to any more than I theoretically can.

And yes, nobody understands the "infinite". Thats the point. We can't know everything. Or really even have a grasp on on it.

[Frog]

Atheism is absolutely not a religion. Religion is faith in God. In other words, the very basis of religion is the belief in God without reason. Atheism is the lack of a belief in God because there is no evidence.

It actually makes me sick that people are trying to justify bringing religion into the government sphere. There is no greater threat to freedom in this nation than a religious government.

There you go. But hey, you're wasting your time..




How you gonna tell me the Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn't exist? Can you prove it? No! So, there! Hah!

[FunfGan]

There you go. But hey, you're wasting your time..

How you gonna tell me the Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn't exist? Can you prove it? No! So, there! Hah!

Does it have 2000+ years of following, the best selling printed book of all time, and other, secular documents which back the book up?

Or just look around you.

[Frog]

I will believe you when I see it. I do NOT have faith in that.

lol.. Oh, now you need proof to believe in something?

[FunfGan]

lol.. Oh, now you need proof to believe in something?

If you see, I said I don't have faith in that. It doesn't have much to back it up either, does it?