The Unions killed the Twinkie
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Evil union right, more like evil corporation...
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/1...ostess-Bankery
Anyway, on the topic of aircraft maintenance, anyone know if they are still outsourcing that?
For awhile, when an aircraft was due for its heavy maintenance PM, they would fly it to Mexico, where a team of "mechanics" would tear down the plane, perform the inspections, reassemble, and the one licensed A&P mechanic on staff would sign off on the paperwork. Comforting to know the free market is at work while your butt is in an aluminum tube 38,000 ft from the ground.-Dave
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Anyway, on the topic of aircraft maintenance, anyone know if they are still outsourcing that?
For awhile, when an aircraft was due for its heavy maintenance PM, they would fly it to Mexico, where a team of "mechanics" would tear down the plane, perform the inspections, reassemble, and the one licensed A&P mechanic on staff would sign off on the paperwork. Comforting to know the free market is at work while your butt is in an aluminum tube 38,000 ft from the ground.
Many heavy checks for larger aircraft are performed in various parts of Asia.
The free market is the only thing to blame, honestly. If people want a better product, pony up the cash and pay for it. But no, everyone will still run to Expedia and buy the ticket that will keep them on a third-party outsourced airline in an uncomfortable regional jet all the way to their destination, because the ticket costs a buck and a half less than another one. Then they will complain about the service and the airplane all the way there. If there's one thing this job has done for me, it's made me lose all sympathy for passengers. They do it to themselves, every time.
Since you're aware of maintenance outsourcing, I'm assuming you're also aware of the outsourcing of the entire operation. Any airplane with 'Express,' 'Eagle,' or 'Connection' on the side in conjunction with a major carrier name has absolutely nothing to do with the major carrier except the paint job and the ticket. Coincidentally, their crews are usually subject to much longer hours for much less money, along with the corresponding worsening of rest time, hotels, etc... than their mainline counterparts. Want to help the airline industry labor while using the free market system? Buy tickets that will keep you on mainline aircraft, flown by mainline pilots, for mainline money and benefits. It usually won't cost you any more if you do it right.Comment
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I will have respectfully disagree here, The last 3 times I have tied to book a flight to or from work with Delta (they do fly into my home airport on 2 different routes) , they want at least 1000 bucks one way. I use orbtiz and the same combination or with a slightly different route and the last leg on Alaska, is 695. Sometimes even less than that.
If it was only a 100 difference I would prolly keep booking with Delta ( I used to fly on North west almost exclusively) but 300 bucks is a sizable difference. I am nearly always on small regional carriers for the 1st and last legs as I fly from small airport to small airport.
You can bitch all you want and I do agree that you guys are not paid nearly enough, but the fact remains that the consumer is always going to do what costs them the least amount of money. I dont bitch much about the flying experience once past the invasive and inept TSA, any more since now flying is not much more than taking the bus, it has become much the same kind of experience behind the curtain anymore. Its something you have to accept when you fly more than once a year. Unless you want to pony up 2400 for a business class seat, you get what you pay for. I have gotten the up grade many times at the gate, and flown as employee guest on American, and while its nice up front, its not 3-4 times the price nice.
I would not mind paying a bit more than I do if I knew the Crews would get that increase, but you and I both know thats not going to happen.Originally posted by FusionIf a car is the epitome of freedom, than an electric car is house arrest with your wife titty fucking your next door neighbor.
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I will have respectfully disagree here, The last 3 times I have tied to book a flight to or from work with Delta (they do fly into my home airport on 2 different routes) , they want at least 1000 bucks one way. I use orbtiz and the same combination or with a slightly different route and the last leg on Alaska, is 695. Sometimes even less than that.
If it was only a 100 difference I would prolly keep booking with Delta ( I used to fly on North west almost exclusively) but 300 bucks is a sizable difference. I am nearly always on small regional carriers for the 1st and last legs as I fly from small airport to small airport.
You can bitch all you want and I do agree that you guys are not paid nearly enough, but the fact remains that the consumer is always going to do what costs them the least amount of money. I dont bitch much about the flying experience once past the invasive and inept TSA, any more since now flying is not much more than taking the bus, it has become much the same kind of experience behind the curtain anymore. Its something you have to accept when you fly more than once a year. Unless you want to pony up 2400 for a business class seat, you get what you pay for. I have gotten the up grade many times at the gate, and flown as employee guest on American, and while its nice up front, its not 3-4 times the price nice.
I would not mind paying a bit more than I do if I knew the Crews would get that increase, but you and I both know thats not going to happen.
I really do wish there was an option between the cattle-car and the first class ticket. I feel like there is a large segment of the population that would gladly pay 500 bucks instead of 400 if there was an increase in comfort and service. It's like you said... first class is nice, but it's not a few thousand dollars nice.Comment
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Yeah I know Alaska isnt but one route in and out for delta/United is Sky west and when I get out east its American Eagle or express jet to get me to the shop.Originally posted by FusionIf a car is the epitome of freedom, than an electric car is house arrest with your wife titty fucking your next door neighbor.
The Desire to Save Humanity is Always a False Front for the Urge to Rule it- H. L. Mencken
Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants.
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So everyone freaked out a bit early?http://www.boston.com/business/news/...apI/story.html
Its just prolonging its demise! The company structure is shot and corrupt. Its better to sell out and allow new blood to rebuild the name.Build your own dreams, or someone else will hire you to build theirs!
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So was the 2004 bankruptcy that lasted until 2009, and turned down selling out in 2007. But I guess people like you enjoyed jumping on the opportunity to solely blame unions, eh?Comment
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actually if you read the teamster union was blaming the bakery union on not resolving it. Rarely will you EVER see one union place blame on another union. The company is done unless your Jesus bails out Hostess!Build your own dreams, or someone else will hire you to build theirs!
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I read the unicorn killed Twinkie so I clicked..Transaction Feedback: -click here
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The sole cause of the downfall of Hostess was the bakery union? Why did you title the thread "unions"? Did they cause the January bankruptcy? Or was it solely the private equity ownership that saddled it up with more debt and did not improve its operations?
Maybe you should learn that you shouldn't go through the world being simple-minded and expecting only one cause for anything.Comment
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No I would guess not but they are the final reason they were closing as they did not want to negotiate with corporate. This was also pointed out by the other union after they reached a deal with corporate.
Most likely had a hand it in but unless you have full access to the books you cant make any statement to either side and is mute because they got though it to this point.
Maybe you should understand that if the people did not like working for Hostess, they have the right to go find employment anywhere else someone will hire them. And that its not the workers decision on which way the company is ran. IT IS THEIR decision to whether they want to work for a company ran the way this one was.Build your own dreams, or someone else will hire you to build theirs!
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