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    Originally posted by z31maniac View Post
    As many have said from the beginning, this is going to go nowhere, except waste months and tens of millions of dollars.

    The Democrats knew it would amount to nothing.

    What do you think the next "Crisis" will be, so they won't do anything the rest of the year?
    Yes, going nowhere, but I don't exactly agree-- they were pretty close to getting Bolton to testify & that would've completely changed the game. They were so close. Because under careful questioning you're not just going to get details on the 'drug deal' in the Ukraine, they'll ask what else was going on that's even worse? And U-kraine becomes No-kraine. They'd expose the "drug deals" with the Saudis and with Israel, who knows what else. I feel the impeachment items are really just the tip of the Iceberg for Trump; the corruption is far deeper.
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      Raising a beer to Trump 2020. Though I continue to try to be active and fight silly dem policies at the local level, if we can keep them from being elected before they get the chance to grow, this is the best bet to turn our country around for the better.

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        Originally posted by R3Z3N View Post
        Raising a beer to Trump 2020. Though I continue to try to be active and fight silly dem policies at the local level, if we can keep them from being elected before they get the chance to grow, this is the best bet to turn our country around for the better.
        God it's sad to drink Shock Top.
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          No, having Suntory Toki and Glenlivet XXV

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            Well, happy Friday. I'll raise one of my very favorites, a Bavarian Ayinger, to you and say: 'see you in November' - when I foresee my friend Bernie taking the popular vote as well as the electoral college.

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              ^ You really believe the Dem Party are going to play it straight up and let him be the nominee?

              For all the bitching about Russia, Ukraine etc election meddling the only one who can be proven to do it are the Dems. First to Bernie, and then with Fusion GPS. All done while a Democrat administration was in power. I would be furious if I were a registered Democrat.

              Cheers to Friday beers.

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                Originally posted by naplesE30 View Post
                ^ You really believe the Dem Party are going to play it straight up and let him be the nominee?

                For all the bitching about Russia, Ukraine etc election meddling the only one who can be proven to do it are the Dems. First to Bernie, and then with Fusion GPS. All done while a Democrat administration was in power. I would be furious if I were a registered Democrat.

                Cheers to Friday beers.
                No - like you, I don't believe that, unfortunately. Sanders' toughest battle will be becoming the nominee. And I'm not so sure about that unless there's such a huge turnout there's no way around it. IF so, the relatively easy battle will be beating Trump. Bernie is kinda Trump's nightmare scenario precisely because he's seen as an outsider rather than a hard-line Democrat. Trump's a fake, but he won because enough people view him as an outsider. Bernie takes away Trump's greatest asset.

                & Cheers! I like the Friday Beers cheersing. Whatever your politics may be, we enjoy the same cars and probably the same beers or food and can find lots of other things in common.


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                  That would be an interesting dynamic.... the ultimate capitalist vs the dedicated socialist.

                  I just don’t see the Democratic Party letting him get the nod. He needs to pull a Trump and threaten them with a third party run to have a fair shot at the nomination.

                  The only reason the GOP didn’t screw Trump was they were more afraid of him going independent. Unless Bernie grows some balls they are going to screw him twice.

                  If Iowa is an indicator the turnout may not be there..... hard to tell though with how badly that was run. From an outsider it looks like the party has placed their thumb on the scales for Pete or Bloomberg... I don’t think they particularly care which of those 2, as long as it’s one of them.

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                    ^^ I agree, Turnout is going to be the biggest key. Iowa's turnout Monday was slightly more than 2016. They keep comparing it to the record turnout in 2008, but what nobody mentions was that Iowa's Primary in 2008 was right after the holiday in early January and you had a ton of younger people home who flooded out for Obama there. None of these news places / talking heads does any research or cares about nuance.

                    We'll see how the next few Primaries go!! Stranger things have happened.

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                    Man! crazy vindictive that Trump fired all those people today! Especially Lieutenant Vindman and his even his Brother! (who had nothing to do with any of this Ukraine stuff). Fired Sondland. Fired Yonvanovich. Trump smears her without any evidence except the mere suggestion she was bad by two-bit crooks who somehow sit next to him at a dinner in the White House, who secretly videotaped the whole thing! Is there no security there? Not to mention Trump now claims he doesn't know these people, Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman, despite photo and video evidence; turns out they've met at least 10 times. How people stand by Trump is beyond me.
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                      I can't believe how little I'm seeing on the Iowa caucus "app" used. Who paid for it, who developed it, it's insane. The NYT already did a big expose on it last week.
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                        Originally posted by z31maniac View Post
                        I can't believe how little I'm seeing on the Iowa caucus "app" used. Who paid for it, who developed it, it's insane. The NYT already did a big expose on it last week.
                        I thought the same thing. If there was ANYTHING there that could even be inferred, Fox would be running stories about yet another attempt to give Bernie the deep dicking by the DNC.

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                          We need paper ballots and 1 person = 1 vote. You get the most votes you win. That's voting in a Democracy. We don't have that.
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                            We have an electoral for a reason. In a Democracy, the large cities would dictate the nation, which while powerful, they should not. We have and should remain a Democratic Republic.

                            Besides, being in the majority rarely puts you in the right or wisest choice...
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                              Originally posted by R3Z3N View Post
                              We have an electoral for a reason. In a Democracy, the large cities would dictate the nation, which while powerful, they should not. We have and should remain a Democratic Republic.

                              Besides, being in the majority rarely puts you in the right or wisest choice...

                              I just learned that much like the Electoral College, Iowa's Caucus actually weighs the rural votes more. I don't understand why.

                              Serious question: In our general election why should someone who votes in let's say Florida, why does their vote count only 1/3rd of someone in Delaware or Washington DC? It's so dumb. So dumb.

                              So George W Bush loses by 500,000 votes and Trump loses by over 3 million votes but still "wins"? Other countries look at this and laugh and are aghast. If we are collective as a nation(?) we should vote collectively as a nation.

                              The other huge problem I have is if three people in Indiana (or where ever) vote, or 3 million people, the SAME number of electors put forth their electoral votes (in Indiana's case, 11 electoral votes). Turnout becomes meaningless, effectively suppressing the vote.
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                                It's called the tyranny of the majority if we had a 1:1 system. Our founding fathers worried that the majority may sign away their own rights just as they do now with freedom of speech and 2a rights, (as well as claiming a right to murder aka abortion)

                                The point of the Electoral College is to preserve “the sense of the people,” while at the same time ensuring that a president is chosen “by men most capable of analyzing the qualities adapted to the station, and acting under circumstances favorable to deliberation, and to a judicious combination of all the reasons and inducements which were proper to govern their choice.”
                                https://www.factcheck.org/2008/02/th...toral-college/

                                Ie, fools voting is no good for anyone. It's why at work for the most part my guys have no say, because when it gets to the nitty gritty, eventually they would only limit their job vs growing with it and expanding our skillsets.
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