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    does this case ever get brought up in the "epstein did not kill himself" circles? seems like it shouldn't be overlooked.

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      that's coo.

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        Originally posted by mrsleeve View Post

        My state has 478 cases and 16 deaths in the state and I know for fact that the 2 in my county were people that were very ill with other things, as were a significant chunk of Italian deaths ( you know the people that were tracking the rona as a comorbidity factor / complication of more serious illness)
        Maryland has more than that EVERY DAY. A good friend of mine got sick with covid19. One day he felt a little sick, the next ok so he thought the nothing of it, the following he was in the ICU for 10 pretty scary days. Barely made it even though he was on a ventilator and whatever else the entire time. Another friend of mine is doing covid19 testing at a hospital. He's a phlebotomist, but now the majority of his job is covid19 testing. It is crazy anywhere populated, good for you that you live in the middle of nowhere. But 100k+ deaths is real, social distancing works, masks work, and it's still out of control now.

        Originally posted by mrsleeve View Post
        I would say the federal response has been about on par with what I would have expected no matter the leadership we have had in Washington
        Good to see you're still absolutely delirious. I leave P&R for years and miss nothing. Bush Sr, Clinton, Obama would have handled this effectively. Bush Jr, the absolute clown, would have mission accomplished his way to something halfway effective. There is no way you can honestly think that Trump is doing as good of a job as anyone else would have. Why is he literally the worst in the entire world at handling this? At least the USA is still number 1 in something. Instead of hitting this hard and quick the guy said light beams and bleach and "it'll go away on it's own, like a miracle."

        For the love of this country, remove your head from where it's blind and deaf and look at the world around you in full sunlight.
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          ^a co workers dad died from covid.
          but i still think everyone everywhere is going to eventually get it.

          there was a high school graduation party in my neighborhood nobody wearing a mask maybe 60ppl.
          plus the protesters looting everything being so close only wearing masks to hide their identity. it's a done deal.

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            Originally posted by Kershaw View Post

            Maryland has more than that EVERY DAY. A good friend of mine got sick with covid19. One day he felt a little sick, the next ok so he thought the nothing of it, the following he was in the ICU for 10 pretty scary days. Barely made it even though he was on a ventilator and whatever else the entire time. Another friend of mine is doing covid19 testing at a hospital. He's a phlebotomist, but now the majority of his job is covid19 testing. It is crazy anywhere populated, good for you that you live in the middle of nowhere. But 100k+ deaths is real, social distancing works, masks work, and it's still out of control now.



            Good to see you're still absolutely delirious. I leave P&R for years and miss nothing. Bush Sr, Clinton, Obama would have handled this effectively. Bush Jr, the absolute clown, would have mission accomplished his way to something halfway effective. There is no way you can honestly think that Trump is doing as good of a job as anyone else would have. Why is he literally the worst in the entire world at handling this? At least the USA is still number 1 in something. Instead of hitting this hard and quick the guy said light beams and bleach and "it'll go away on it's own, like a miracle."

            For the love of this country, remove your head from where it's blind and deaf and look at the world around you in full sunlight.
            10/10, I missed nothing avoiding this thread/forum like the plague. They either must be doing insane mental gymnastics to try to reconcile how irrefutably poor Trump's "leadership" has been during his entire presidency, or they consciously relish the schadenfreude of watching their fellow Americans suffer, 100,000+ people die (so far, it's going to get worse), 34 million jobs gone in 2 months, and the cities burned to the ground.

            I'm sorry I looked because I had hope something might change, but now it's obvious it doesn't matter what happens. Party over Country, no matter what the cost.

            The only thing that we can do is vote. Hopefully, some of the anger misspent burning things and looting can be redirected to something productive and kick his ass to the curb where it belongs.
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              Originally posted by nando View Post

              The only thing that we can do is vote. Hopefully, some of the anger misspent burning things and looting can be redirected to something productive and kick his ass to the curb where it belongs.
              I would imagine those same minds are smoking their brain away, masturbating to themselves on youtube while mom yells at them to turn down the tv.


              On a good note, my city is starting to open back up. We have never been more busy, but alas my coworkers are liberals, thinking it's too hard to work in these tough times, unable to put out the same number of jobs. Meanwhile the owners are also trying to take advantage of the situation. They were hoping we could cut out 4hrs a day on Fridays so that we could claim unemployment, meanwhile giving us time off and a bigger check to take home. Seriously sickening, and now to find out any cash payments get gutted in quickbooks after the invoice is printed, so that all cash in our drawers can be deposited in our owners pockets tax free. I generally support my bosses, but this is the end. I will be going independent once again like I was for 10years. I have no problem being smart about our laws, but actively trying to avoid taxes and have employees paid for unemployment when we are quite well off? No, seriously fuck that socialist mindset.

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                Originally posted by Kershaw View Post

                Maryland has more than that EVERY DAY. A good friend of mine got sick with covid19. One day he felt a little sick, the next ok so he thought the nothing of it, the following he was in the ICU for 10 pretty scary days. Barely made it even though he was on a ventilator and whatever else the entire time. Another friend of mine is doing covid19 testing at a hospital. He's a phlebotomist, but now the majority of his job is covid19 testing. It is crazy anywhere populated, good for you that you live in the middle of nowhere. But 100k+ deaths is real, social distancing works, masks work, and it's still out of control now.
                Well well well, here you go, proving my primary point for me yet again.... Different areas, and populations dont need to have the same kinds of responses or (restrictions if you like), due to a whole host of factors, population density and geographic location proxcimal to areas of greater rates of infection being BIG ones.

                I am sorry your friend contracted the virus, and it hit him harder than most. Does he have other heath/personal issues that might have compounded the infection? I have never said that using common sense is not a effective means at keeping ones risk of contracting any type of infectious illness much lower. You know like washing your hands, and keeping your distance from people that might be ill, or limiting your trips out when a bug is going around.... All shit you should be doing when a lot of people in your area are contracting the common seasonal flu, or noro virus or any other easily passed infection anyway.


                Originally posted by Kershaw
                Good to see you're still absolutely delirious. I leave P&R for years and miss nothing. Bush Sr, Clinton, Obama would have handled this effectively. Bush Jr, the absolute clown, would have mission accomplished his way to something halfway effective. There is no way you can honestly think that Trump is doing as good of a job as anyone else would have. Why is he literally the worst in the entire world at handling this? At least the USA is still number 1 in something. Instead of hitting this hard and quick the guy said light beams and bleach and "it'll go away on it's own, like a miracle."

                For the love of this country, remove your head from where it's blind and deaf and look at the world around you in full sunlight.
                Where in ANY FUCKING POST on this topic have I inferred let alone outright said the Trumpsters response is classified as "good".... While I may have attempted to draw Phills attention to Gov Como's antics on TV everyday, or alluded the Gov's of MN and MI refusal to give up "emergency power", or make rules arbitrarily to shine a little light on the counterparts of where his remarks seemed to be directed. That was in no way a de-facto positive let me find my MAGA hat endorsement of mine, of the job the trumpster has/is doing in regards to the pandemic.

                You seem triggered mayhaps you actually read my post for what it says, and keep your personal thoughts and assumptions of what you "THINK" I meant out of it
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                  Now Trump is saying he will invade the states with the federal military.

                  Yikes.
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                    They hate big government. Until they don't.

                    What happened to complaining that the government wouldn't let people get a haircut? Talk about oppression! ;)
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                      Originally posted by Kershaw View Post
                      Now Trump is saying he will invade the states with the federal military.

                      Yikes.

                      You know as well as I, that is not going to happen and that the potus cant do that

                      Originally posted by Fusion
                      If a car is the epitome of freedom, than an electric car is house arrest with your wife titty fucking your next door neighbor.
                      The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. -Alexis de Tocqueville


                      The Desire to Save Humanity is Always a False Front for the Urge to Rule it- H. L. Mencken

                      Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants.
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                        Originally posted by mrsleeve View Post


                        You know as well as I, that is not going to happen and that the potus cant do that
                        In theory, a President cannot start a war either, but they sure can send troops to wherever to do whatever the they want them to do for 60 days, and issue more limited strikes against targets as deemed desirable with zero actual oversight or checks. Clearly, any deployment of military forces to do basically anything more than assist local police forces on an extremely limited basis, or to respond to a declared state of emergency on US soil are generally illegal, but in such a case of illegal deployment it's likely that a simple injunction would not stop or recall forces.

                        Ultimately, in such a case this decision to follow or reject an order to act beyond established precedent on US soil would fall on the shoulders of unit commanders at all levels. It should also be remembered that all officers are taught to distinguish between a lawful and unlawful command, although that education is not as comprehensive as it probably ought to be.

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                          I ran into a convoy of Humvees and MRAP looking things and armed troops on my way to stupid Lowes to pick up some plywood. Venice Blvd. two blocks from me is shut down in a section because the National Guard has now made my local police station it's "base." I have Police Helicopters wap-wapping over my head daily, and unfortunately that's normal for around here. Seriously, no one who lives here wants more, or any, military coming in, the police are already militarized enough.

                          Trump threatening in his national address to deploy the military in States, then saying he's an ally to peaceful protestors yet simultaneously having forces in riot gear gas 100% peaceful protestors outside the White House, then marching over for a photo shoot with a bible as a complete prop will go down as an all timer in American History. Highly disturbing. Authoritarian spectacle.
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                            Originally posted by mrsleeve View Post


                            You know as well as I, that is not going to happen and that the potus cant do that
                            I'm curious whom you think would stop him? Not saying he'll do it, but hypothetically, who's gonna stop him. It's certainly not republicans, or evangelicals, or conservatives. I don't think the left would have the power politically to do anything, it would all be blocked by republicans anyways.

                            Not being a dick, but let's be honest. Based on how republicans have reacted to everything else, I just don't see them doing anything to stop him should it come to it. The impeachment trial would probly be the clearest example of how'd they react.

                            How bout you personally? How would you react? Again, not being a dick, actually curious. Mainly since it would be going against your own side of the isle.

                            Ultimately tho I don't see him doing something like that. Not due to a power's or constitutionality issue, but simply cause he's lazy. He wants all the power, but non of the responsibility that goes with it, nor does he have the work ethic to actually put in the work.

                            Outside of that, it's pretty sad these are legitimate issues that need debate. Personally I'm more curious to see what he'll do come election. The railing against mail in voting is just laying ground work to delegitimize the outcome should he lose.

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                              Originally posted by phillipj View Post
                              I ran into a convoy of Humvees and MRAP looking things and armed troops on my way to stupid Lowes to pick up some plywood. Venice Blvd. two blocks from me is shut down in a section because the National Guard has now made my local police station it's "base." I have Police Helicopters wap-wapping over my head daily, and unfortunately that's normal for around here. Seriously, no one who lives here wants more, or any, military coming in, the police are already militarized enough.

                              Trump threatening in his national address to deploy the military in States, then saying he's an ally to peaceful protestors yet simultaneously having forces in riot gear gas 100% peaceful protestors outside the White House, then marching over for a photo shoot with a bible as a complete prop will go down as an all timer in American History. Highly disturbing. Authoritarian spectacle.
                              So peaceful

                              Really proven to be.

                              I mean, when people chant, "no justice, no peace," really shows me how peaceful their intents are.

                              We all know the prez cannot do that lol

                              You guys act like this protest is anything near people protesting to reopen states. Nothing but negative things to say about that protest.

                              You know what the difference is? Their protests didn't lead to rioting and looting. That's why there wasn't a curfew put into place... yet people still ask that question... Jesus christ.

                              This protest isn't about racism or black lives, it just another attempt to project the fallacy that is systemic racism. Another attempt to keep people at each others throats. Another attempt at the liberal media to test the presidency.

                              BLM is a joke. They don't care about black lives, they only show up when the media glorifies a black man being killed by a white cop, but are no where to be found in their most impacted communities.. We all know cops aren't patrolling the streets looking for unarmed black men to kill. BLM should be working in communities where black men are literally killing each other daily.

                              It's so easy to see through this BS, but peoples egos are too large to challenge something they've come to be so passionate about and can't risk looking at themselves in the mirror and saying they've been fooled.

                              Yes, there are problems in policing, yes racism exists, but only on an individual level, nothing by def systemic about it.

                              I'm here in LA and I'll tell you that this city got fucking ransacked. People are out there drinking and trashing the place, but it's okay, they're going to not give a fuck about any of this in two weeks, because they'll be on the next group think subject in this years curriculum

                              Edit; And to add, some celebrities and A LOT of people I know are saying rioting and looting is part of the cause or condoning it, even dismissing it. These are people who are chanting no justice, no peace. That's the mindset right now, not for everyone, but a good fucking amount.

                              Keep telling yourself it's peaceful.
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                                Your comment is Gross.

                                So, where exactly are you in LA?

                                We have peaceful protests about real injustice being exploited by criminals. I have vans of "thugs" in my neighborhood, white and black, they are on videotape, ransack and loot my tiny Target & the Autozone down my street -- these people were never protesting, they don't give a SHIT. Go hit the Bevmo and the CVS and even a shitty Thai restaurant by my girlfriend's house. I live in Mid-City Los Angeles. I live near La Brea and Venice. These assholes looting have ZERO to do with the very decent people here who are hurting and some of which who are protesting George Floyd, and everyone else's, murder. We have organized crime operations and just desperate idiot opportunists swooping in when the cops and everyone else's attention are pulled all different directions in this rambling city and so much shit is going on and they are exploiting the situation.

                                How would you know Black Lives Matter is a joke? How would you really know? Bullshit.
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