N52 Swap Discussion

Collapse
X
 
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • Striker01
    Grease Monkey
    • Jul 2011
    • 335

    #826
    Originally posted by adam.nonis
    I'm no expert, but from what I've seen, you'll want to use MSV70.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
    I agree with this. You really need to read through this whole thread, probably multiple times during the process. Nando talked a bunch about how MSV70 uses E46 protocols, I think he even said the cluster from one would just work. A couple of us have used 22RPD for the ECU work, they've been good so far.

    Comment

    • DesertBMW
      E30 Enthusiast
      • Aug 2011
      • 1026

      #827
      Originally posted by ethirty-eric
      Ok, thanks! It looks like I can start with an EWS delete. Where can I get this done? I've seen BimmerTools does it. I already purchased their MSV80 QuickFlash. Does anyone here on the forum also provide this service? Looking at other options. Before spending more money heading down MSV80, is the MSV70 a better route? Or if I EWS delete my MSV80, is it basically working the same as MSV70 EWS delete?
      I did N55 swap into E36 so the whole procedure will be very similar, you can watch my whole instructional video on youtube. Then what is the point of having N52 in E46? It will not feel any better than having stock 2005 M54B30 330i 6 speed that you could buy for cheap then again it is just slow car anyway. With E46 you have to have 500hp engine to have any fun with it, that is why I am asking what is the point.

      Comment

      • ethirty-eric
        Noobie
        • Dec 2021
        • 9

        #828
        Originally posted by Striker01

        I agree with this. You really need to read through this whole thread, probably multiple times during the process. Nando talked a bunch about how MSV70 uses E46 protocols, I think he even said the cluster from one would just work. A couple of us have used 22RPD for the ECU work, they've been good so far.
        Thanks, I've started to plan going down this route. EKP from the Z4 is on it's way.​

        Originally posted by DesertBMW

        I did N55 swap into E36 so the whole procedure will be very similar, you can watch my whole instructional video on youtube. Then what is the point of having N52 in E46? It will not feel any better than having stock 2005 M54B30 330i 6 speed that you could buy for cheap then again it is just slow car anyway. With E46 you have to have 500hp engine to have any fun with it, that is why I am asking what is the point.
        Well, it wasn't planned. I fell into a good deal for a prefacelift coupe, which is the platform I wanted. Around here, e46 coupes are harder to find than sedans or verts. Then, an opportunity for the N52 came around. So, I figured why not put them together. I'm an old fart and high horsepower cars isn't my thing and I'll just get into trouble with them anyway. I want a nice drivers car. The N52 is what I've read as the last good NA six banger. Also, tuning it will get more HP than an M54. Not a huge delta, but enough to make it fun (for me anyway). Also, it will be somewhat unique. Putting a stock motor in the stock chassis - boring. I don't want the complexity of a turbo. I was happy with my slightly massaged ZHP sedan. That's my goal and then a bit more. I love the challenge of just piecing it all together. I'm an engineer by trade and by heart. Is 300hp achievable or close to it? In roughly a 3000 lb car, it will be more entertaining than stock. I don't need double the horsepower. Anyway, I'll check out the video and see if it will help me out.

        Comment

        • hoveringuy
          R3VLimited
          • Dec 2005
          • 2693

          #829
          Last summer I measured my oil temps after a track session and they were too hot for me, so I added a coolant-to-oil stacked plate heat exchanger that's common to many of the factory N52's. I instantly noticed that the coolant takes much longer to come up to temperature because it needs to warm all the oil along with the coolant, which is good.

          I had a ho-hum day at the track yesterday because I spent 90% of my time teaching the Car Control Clinic students and getting vertigo on the skid pad. I did get some lapping in the late afternoon and collected "after" data.

          Temps went down from 265 to 245, which is better but still not great. If I did any kind of endurance racing I would definitely want the N54 style oil cooler with a thermostatically controlled radiator. I also noticed that last summer the oil would stay hot basically forever until it naturally cooled, like it was sitting in a thermos bottle. Now the temps come down almost instantly as I leave the track because it's being actively cooled.

          temps were taken with a thermocouple down the dip tube, sitting in the middle of the pan.


          Click image for larger version  Name:	Capture3.jpg Views:	0 Size:	180.1 KB ID:	10138549 Click image for larger version  Name:	Capture2.jpg Views:	0 Size:	176.3 KB ID:	10138548 Click image for larger version  Name:	Capture.jpg Views:	0 Size:	165.0 KB ID:	10138547
          Last edited by hoveringuy; 04-26-2025, 11:32 AM.

          Comment

          • DesertBMW
            E30 Enthusiast
            • Aug 2011
            • 1026

            #830
            I always wondered on M20 e30s if the oil cooler is something that the engine really need or it is just a sale gimmick. Then on E28/E34 5 series there is no oil cooler on M20 engine and the chassis is much heavier.

            Comment

            • hoveringuy
              R3VLimited
              • Dec 2005
              • 2693

              #831
              I signed-up for Alfa Club twilight lapping last night and it was a good event as usual. Had a fresh set of Azeni 660+ tires that were pre-heat cycled and was impressed by them. I got to the event late and only got a few laps in the first session, but enough to scrub-in the tires. Quickly set a PB in my second lap of the second session, and then another PB well into the third session (2nd or 3rd lap is usually my quickest, so it's unusual that I'm fast towards the end of a session, but there was traffic...).



              Parts of the night felt like a DTM race, running with a Cosworth 190E...



              It's nice that there's not a single drop of fluid under the car in the morning. Just 100% quick and reliable!

              adam.nonis Is going to help me dial-up the power just a hair now. Still running the pedestrian DISA intake....

              Click image for larger version

Name:	Capture.jpg
Views:	215
Size:	168.0 KB
ID:	10139378 ​​

              Comment

              • ethirty-eric
                Noobie
                • Dec 2021
                • 9

                #832
                I have an E90 mostly complete harness and the Z4 fuse block. I won't be able to use it in my e46 application. So, I am offering here for sale here if anybody can use it. $100 for both. I have one of the connectors for the fuse block. I posted pics in the classifieds.

                Comment

                • Nizzan
                  Noobie
                  • Feb 2025
                  • 5

                  #833
                  IVM Mystery.

                  Love this forum! This is my first post:

                  I’ve successfully installed an N52 into my S30 (which is a Datsun 240Z) With Kassel EWS deletes done on the DME, engine fired right up on an engine stand using the 330i engine harness and accompanying mess of relays and power wiring in the e-box.

                  Several of you have cleaned up said wiring mess with the Z4 IVM and so am I. On the workbench, I’ve been able to light up all the IVM fuses (except F7) by activating the DME relay and VVT relay. F7 is a mystery! It supplies power to the injectors from the injector relay which is integral to the IVM. It should be easy, I just can’t locate the activation signal. It’ll be switched power (not switched ground).

                  That switched activation power could come internally off “Run/Start” Pin 23 X691 but doesn’t. How is this relay activated?

                  Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_9059.jpg
Views:	56
Size:	248.4 KB
ID:	10154123 Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_9058.jpg
Views:	71
Size:	238.2 KB
ID:	10154124

                  Comment

                  • hoveringuy
                    R3VLimited
                    • Dec 2005
                    • 2693

                    #834
                    Originally posted by Nizzan
                    IVM Mystery.

                    Love this forum! This is my first post:

                    I’ve successfully installed an N52 into my S30 (which is a Datsun 240Z) With Kassel EWS deletes done on the DME, engine fired right up on an engine stand using the 330i engine harness and accompanying mess of relays and power wiring in the e-box.

                    Several of you have cleaned up said wiring mess with the Z4 IVM and so am I. On the workbench, I’ve been able to light up all the IVM fuses (except F7) by activating the DME relay and VVT relay. F7 is a mystery! It supplies power to the injectors from the injector relay which is integral to the IVM. It should be easy, I just can’t locate the activation signal. It’ll be switched power (not switched ground).

                    That switched activation power could come internally off “Run/Start” Pin 23 X691 but doesn’t. How is this relay activated?
                    Cool project!

                    It may be that you need to apply power to pin 5, which is the only place F07 gets power from. This is from the WDS online.

                    Yes! The IVM is a much cleaner solution than the hodge-podge of relays, fuses and wiring that jumble the E90 cowl.


                    Click image for larger version  Name:	Screenshot 2026-01-16 073402.jpg Views:	0 Size:	53.5 KB ID:	10154163

                    Comment

                    • Nizzan
                      Noobie
                      • Feb 2025
                      • 5

                      #835
                      Thanks Hoveringguy….It lights up now!

                      Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_0164.jpg
Views:	27
Size:	299.4 KB
ID:	10154233

                      Comment

                      • Nizzan
                        Noobie
                        • Feb 2025
                        • 5

                        #836
                        A few more pictures…. I’m amazed by the ease in which this engine slips into the engine bay. Brake booster and 3-stage intake are quite happy together. Stock oil pan fits perfectly, Stock E92 radiator and fan assembly fit like a glove and without causing any fore and aft space issues. Hood clearance is snug but still allows room for the BMW beauty cover. I needed to buy 2 sets of AA style headers and used the 2nd 1-2-3 header section in the 4-5-6 position to get things to fit with minimal fuss.
                        I still have a long ways to go but feel like I’ve broken the back on this project. And so so appreciate the ground-breaking work you all have done with your E30 N52 swaps.
                        I hope to tap into this community from time to time and would happy to share my progress occasionally.
                        Thanks!

                        Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_0171.jpg
Views:	33
Size:	227.9 KB
ID:	10154235 Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_0170.jpg
Views:	31
Size:	234.9 KB
ID:	10154236 Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_0169.jpg
Views:	31
Size:	218.7 KB
ID:	10154237 Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_0168.jpg
Views:	31
Size:	228.1 KB
ID:	10154238 Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_0166.jpg
Views:	32
Size:	229.6 KB
ID:	10154239

                        Comment

                        • hoveringuy
                          R3VLimited
                          • Dec 2005
                          • 2693

                          #837
                          Damn... it was made for that chassis. Stock motor was iron block? I know it was a light motor but I'm sure you're losing some weight while doubling? your hp, and 6th gear is really nice.

                          There have been a few FRS swaps as well
                          Last edited by hoveringuy; 01-18-2026, 07:49 AM.

                          Comment

                          • Caperix
                            Advanced Member
                            • Feb 2018
                            • 156

                            #838
                            Looks great, are you posting on hybrid z as well? Did you weld tabs for the motor mounts to the factory subframe or is it custom?

                            Comment

                            • Nizzan
                              Noobie
                              • Feb 2025
                              • 5

                              #839
                              Originally posted by hoveringuy
                              Damn... it was made for that chassis. Stock motor was iron block? I know it was a light motor but I'm sure you're losing some weight while doubling? your hp, and 6th gear is really nice.

                              There have been a few FRS swaps as well

                              Comment

                              • Nizzan
                                Noobie
                                • Feb 2025
                                • 5

                                #840
                                The car is a lightweight at around 2400lbs (not unlike the E30) but the block is indeed cast iron…all in it weighs 425 lbs. Few in our community run the stock 4-speed anymore and swap in a 5-speed which is 101 lbs for a total of 526 lbs. Equivalent N52 and 6 speed is 458lbs, so 68 lbs of weight savings plus an extra 100+ HP will be nice. At the limit, the S30 struggles with understeer, so the reduction of this weight over the front axle should improve handling even more.

                                6th gear will be nice, but 3:54 rear end gears combined with 24.9” OD dia tires might not be best for highway cruising….taller gears would be nice. Should be a jackrabbit around town though!.

                                The S30 engine bay affords us the room for a multitude of swaps including V8, JZ, RB, and S54B32 but my rationale mirrors that of many in your E30 world…weight loss, improved handling,and cost. Plus there is just something to love about that inline-six sound eh?

                                Comment

                                Working...