Gun Thread

[naplesE30]

Any optics recommendations for the 8.5” 300aac? It will eventually be suppressed, used for plinking, and maybe a hog hunt down the road (so possibly some low light shooting) . I am thinking just a red dot and possible 3x or 4x magnifier. It’s been a budget build pistol so, for the whole setup I would like to stay under $400, under $300 would be even better.

[TeXJ]

What would guys recommend for a good conceal carry pistol? I’m kinda picky about what i want. I have a ruger lc380and a glock 43 in 380 caliber. They aren’t bad guns so Id use those sometimes but I also want a double stack for ccw purposes thats in between a full frame and pocket frame. I have my 509 tac but thats too big for that. Id prefer it to not be a Glock either while they are nice guns I’m just not the biggest fan for what ever reason.

I love my p365! With the 12rd mag it's even easier to hold on to.

[eternal24k]

None of the german gun manufacturers have a good reputation for customer service...

I was watching that youtube channel where the guy goes around diving in lakes and rivers finding phones, gopros, drones, etc. and he found a hi-point in the bottom of a river. That's not fishy at all.

Walther has been good to go

[Ryan...]

My VP9 has been stupid good for prob 3yrs now. That said, if you handle and look at the design, I have no doubt a Glock is built more stoutly and will hold up better to abuse than the than hk. My mag release (trigger guard paddle style) is def a weak point as is the rear of the frame. If it were a duty gun I would pick a glock 17 hands down over it. Also, as much as I like the ergonomics of the vp9, I shot my gen 4 g19 with crappy standard sights just as well as the hk.

Very good to know. As often as I play with the idea of getting a VP9, I can't escape the comforting fact that I know my Glock is going to go bang every single time I pull the trigger, assuming I don't forget to reload :)

[naplesE30]

My VP9 has been stupid good for prob 3yrs now. That said, if you handle and look at the design, I have no doubt a Glock is built more stoutly and will hold up better to abuse than the than hk. My mag release (trigger guard paddle style) is def a weak point as is the rear of the frame. If it were a duty gun I would pick a glock 17 hands down over it. Also, as much as I like the ergonomics of the vp9, I shot my gen 4 g19 with crappy standard sights just as well as the hk.

[Ryan...]

None of the german gun manufacturers have a good reputation for customer service...

I was watching that youtube channel where the guy goes around diving in lakes and rivers finding phones, gopros, drones, etc. and he found a hi-point in the bottom of a river. That's not fishy at all.

Thankfully I've never had to deal with any sort of firearm warranty work/issues.

[varg]

None of the german gun manufacturers have a good reputation for customer service...

I was watching that youtube channel where the guy goes around diving in lakes and rivers finding phones, gopros, drones, etc. and he found a hi-point in the bottom of a river. That's not fishy at all.

[Ryan...]

It's why I don't categorically denounce a gun for subjective things, if something is objectively crap or impractical sure, but a lot of things are just preference and familiarity.

As long as we all agree that Hi Point is hands down the WORST, we can all be friends

A PD around here pulled one of these off a kid during a traffic stop

[Ryan...]

I was considering looking at them or H&K

I really do adore the VP9, and desperately wanted the VP9sk.

However, my local go-to gun shop has had such terrible experiences with HK customer support that it kind of turned me off of the brand.

Basic run down:

Madison PD, one of the largest in Wisconsin, was going to switch all of their Glocks to the VP9. They went through Top Pack Defense (my shop) and tasked them with working with H&K. TPD ordered 30 VP9s that they were going to get for Madison PD, clean them up, test them, and install night sights if the officer wanted them. They ordered the firearms in January of '18, for Madison's academy starting in May. In February the guns hadn't arrived so he called H&K the first week of Feb. They told him the guns were slightly delayed and would ship out that week. March 1st the guns didn't arrive so he called again, and they again said the guns were delayed and they would call him when they were in. First week of April the guns hadn't arrived. TPD called them again, and the H&K rep said something to the effect of, "Stop calling us, we'll call YOU when they get in."

If that's how they're willing to treat a customer that's about to order 300+ firearms, then how can you expect them to treat Joe Blow off the street if something happens to your $550+ firearm?

[varg]

It's always interesting seeing how different guns fit different people, lots of different styles and preferences! That's why I always get a kick out of "XXX gun is better than XXX gun!" arguments. For you, a Glock is obviously not the best, while for me it may be.

It's why I don't categorically denounce a gun for subjective things, if something is objectively crap or impractical sure, but a lot of things are just preference and familiarity.

[ThatOneEuroE30]

I would take a look at the Sig P365. I believe they had some teething issues when they first came out (as did the P320), but my coworker carries his daily and has over 5k trouble free rounds through it. For the size, 10+1 is fantastic.

I was considering looking at them or H&K

[Ryan...]

What would guys recommend for a good conceal carry pistol? I’m kinda picky about what i want. I have a ruger lc380and a glock 43 in 380 caliber. They aren’t bad guns so Id use those sometimes but I also want a double stack for ccw purposes thats in between a full frame and pocket frame. I have my 509 tac but thats too big for that. Id prefer it to not be a Glock either while they are nice guns I’m just not the biggest fan for what ever reason.

I would take a look at the Sig P365. I believe they had some teething issues when they first came out (as did the P320), but my coworker carries his daily and has over 5k trouble free rounds through it. For the size, 10+1 is fantastic.

[ThatOneEuroE30]

What would guys recommend for a good conceal carry pistol? I’m kinda picky about what i want. I have a ruger lc380and a glock 43 in 380 caliber. They aren’t bad guns so Id use those sometimes but I also want a double stack for ccw purposes thats in between a full frame and pocket frame. I have my 509 tac but thats too big for that. Id prefer it to not be a Glock either while they are nice guns I’m just not the biggest fan for what ever reason.

[Ryan...]

Well familiarity is huge, so I can definitely get behind sticking with a glock if you like the trigger and are used to glock form factor. I've always disliked the glock trigger, when I bought my first pistol (the 19) it was my first experience with a glock and I was immediately disappointed in how I was shooting when I got to the range. I had previously shot other pistols on the first try much more accurately. I like the Kahr triggers which feel more like a double action revolver, they stack and break more progressively than the glock which has almost loose takeup and stops at the break. It's probably because I didn't shoot it enough to acclimate to that trigger but in a quick draw and fire drill I consistently had the first shot go to a side, and subsequent shots where I just reset the trigger instead of as quickly as possible going from finger on the frame to firing were much better. I compensated in those drills by deliberately slowing down on my first trigger pull so that I consciously brought it to the break, resighted, then broke. Added a second but the first shot would wind up closer to the intended point of aim instead of a few inches to one side.

It's always interesting seeing how different guns fit different people, lots of different styles and preferences! That's why I always get a kick out of "XXX gun is better than XXX gun!" arguments. For you, a Glock is obviously not the best, while for me it may be.

In that vein, a neighboring police department we train with multiple times a year was notorious for being terrible shots. They were all shooting old Sig P226s for duty guns with whatever their OEM sights are.
They very recently switched to to the P320 and wouldn't you know it, their shooting performances have gone up dramatically! How much of it is down to the gun, vs allowing officers to choose night sights, vs different grips etc I do not know.
That same department doesn't allow their officers to use anything on their duty rifle other than iron sights. Unsurprisingly, their rifle qualifications are significantly worse than any other department which allows the use of red dots and other optics.

[varg]

Well familiarity is huge, so I can definitely get behind sticking with a glock if you like the trigger and are used to glock form factor. I've always disliked the glock trigger, when I bought my first pistol (the 19) it was my first experience with a glock and I was immediately disappointed in how I was shooting when I got to the range. I had previously shot other pistols on the first try much more accurately. I like the Kahr triggers which feel more like a double action revolver, they stack and break more progressively than the glock which has almost loose takeup and stops at the break. It's probably because I didn't shoot it enough to acclimate to that trigger but in a quick draw and fire drill I consistently had the first shot go to a side, and subsequent shots where I just reset the trigger instead of as quickly as possible going from finger on the frame to firing were much better. I compensated in those drills by deliberately slowing down on my first trigger pull so that I consciously brought it to the break, resighted, then broke. Added a second but the first shot would wind up closer to the intended point of aim instead of a few inches to one side.