Trump Thread 2.0

[phillipj]

Who cares. Bernie isn't running for election. Talk about a straw man argument..

Ha. Exactly! x1000

Hey, in the "Trump Thread" let's divert any Trump criticism topics over to "Systemic racism doesn't exist!!" ... "BLM is a joke!!" ... "Bernie Sanders is a Socialist!!"

[phillipj]

No, its not the same thing, even a little. Corporations are not tyrannies. I disagree with shareholder motivations on reporting news, but that is not me admitting that I agree that corporations are tyrranies. That is insane thinking and only used to justify the tearing down of the entire system. Label something a tyrant, and you get to kill it. The label is what counts with "thinkers" like you and Noam.

He's not contending all corporations are tyrannies, of course. Just positing the idea that some corporations do in fact act that way in our wild-west system. I'd guess you'd have to read a ton more of what he says on that subject, instead of just being absolutist about this one quote you looked up.

Let's also talk about absolutism. I notice it here a lot. What's with the all-or-nothing, black-or-white thinking? You're occasionally criticizing me of non-nuanced thought; I apologize if I am not communicating that clearly enough, but we need more nuanced thought here!

First off, I never said its the best its ever been. I said it is the best nation to have ever existed, period. We have our problems to be sure, but being black in America, for instance, is not a death sentence. That's a lie. You do not seem capable of nuanced thought.

"this country is the best that's ever been"

Well, huh, ok I took that as "this country is the best that it's ever been". My bad. I guess you have certain reasons to feel so strongly like that, I respect that. How do we really measure a nation? I personally don't believe in this "American Exceptionalism" myth. It makes people here feel really good, though.

You are full of shit with this contention.

^ Eh. Trump coordinates with Fox News and other conservative media outlets. There's also a revolving hiring door between them and the White House. Just pointing it out.

Once again, I am not talking about term limits, I am talking about service limits of individuals in government. Far more wide and reaching than simple term limits. And are you giving Bernie a blowie for that kudo you think he deserves? Who is talking about what I am talking about? No one.

Ok, gotcha. Service limits. I misunderstood. I could get on board with that. But let's say, for example, someone seems to have done quite a decent job as a Mayor, or Governor. Proven themself. But now they basically ran out their "service limit." Should they be barred from running for President or Senator, etc? That's at least debatable. I don't think it's a bad idea, though. It might help curb cronyism or corruption in the current system, but the current system has to change as it is.

And you are 100% right, I don't hear too many people talking about "service limits" -- least of all Politicians for god sakes! I do applaud anyone who's talking about real campaign finance reform, because I believe that's they key to everything. Take the money out of politics. Can we not agree on that?

Fox's Roger Ailes passed Trump debate Questions

Unsubstantiated claim 101. My claim was 100% verified while you are just saying what feels good to yourself.

Ailes tipped off Trump.

Bernie Sanders is a life long hack, terrible human being who wants power for himself and no one else. I am not snowed by Donald J. Trump. I know he loves power just the same as Bernie, but I am not naive enough to think that DJT only wants what's best for me. But I do know for a fact that his record has shown he is NOT a tyrant and not after "fundamentally changing America" like Biden and Bernie and Hillary and Obama want to do.

I cannot believe how gullible you are. I really hope you find a proctologist soon.

Sanders is an upstanding human. If "he wants power for himself and no one else" he sure has a bizarre way of going about it. How can you really say that he is a "Terrible Human Being?" Really? How do you figure? Listening to Right-Wing radio is driving you crazy!

The false equivalencies like "Trump loves power just the same as Bernie" are laughable. I'd also say that Trump's actions, words and record scream "tyrant". Where are these "facts" you are talking about that say otherwise? I'm super curious to know about this mysterious Mr. Trump the equitable Humanitarian I don't seem to know about!

[nando]

You can't even make this shit up - "'Science should not stand in the way' of schools reopening, White House Press Secretary Kayleigh McEnany says"
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ng/5454168002/

This level of incompetence is embarrassing.

[LowR3V'in]

just ride it out. ride this puppy out.

[nando]

I would if I didn't have my own wife and kids in the line of fire.

[nando]

I'm sure pretending "everything is fine" will help Trump get re-elected as thousands of people die:

"Coronavirus data has already disappeared after Trump administration shifted control from CDC"

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/16/us-coronavirus-data-has-already-disappeared-after-trump-administration-shifted-control-from-cdc-to-hhs.html

[ZeKahr]

You can't even make this shit up - "'Science should not stand in the way' of schools reopening, White House Press Secretary Kayleigh McEnany says"
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ng/5454168002/

This level of incompetence is embarrassing.

On a side note, that press secretary should do some porn

[ForcedFirebird]

I would if I didn't have my own wife and kids in the line of fire.

Ditto.

So, they had the back to school panel held online due to safety concerns? Derp. If it's not safe for you to meet on a panel, it's not safe for the schools to open.

[LowR3V'in]

obama, bush , clinton. i think any of those guys would still get blamed directly by ppl that already hate them for what's happening during this plague

what would biden do you think? or hilery.

[roguetoaster]

obama, bush , clinton. i think any of those guys would still get blamed directly by ppl that already hate them for what's happening during this plague

what would biden do you think? or hilery.

Yeah, we seem to use current failures as another excuse to go after whoever your political rival may be, no matter who or what precipitated the crisis. The reverse goes for positive events.

I would have at least expected one national policy from Biden, and a faster push of legislation related to whatever the fix may have been, simply based on being able to interface with known colleagues.

[nando]

obama, bush , clinton. i think any of those guys would still get blamed directly by ppl that already hate them for what's happening during this plague

what would biden do you think? or hilery.

I think they would have done something, anything, to work through this. What has Trump done? Complain on twitter how much people don't like him? (I wonder why). Try to suppress the data? Fire or threaten people who don't say what he wants them to say? Where is the coordinated government response? Trump isn't capable of leading a horse to water, much less leading us out of this mess.

I don't blame the president for the pandemic. I do however, hold him responsible for his total recklessness and self centered behavior. First he tried to pretend it was just going to go away, and now he's trying to pretend it doesn't exist. It's not like we can look almost anywhere in the world and see many civilized nations who have responded much faster and much better than we have. We're practically a 3rd world country in that regard. It's almost as if they have actual competent leaders who know how to do more than tweet, watch Fox News, and eat cheeseburgers..

[MrBurgundy]

Ha. Exactly! x1000

Hey, in the "Trump Thread" let's divert any Trump criticism topics over to "Systemic racism doesn't exist!!" ... "BLM is a joke!!" ... "Bernie Sanders is a Socialist!!"

if you didn't say something as stupid as "Bernie isnt a socialist," I wouldn't have to educate you. Literally hilarious.

If you didn't say something as stupid as "trump is attacking peaceful protesters," I wouldn't have to correct you

If you were bright enough to realize that systemic racism doesn't exist anymore I would't have to go in depth about it.

You're a complete joke my guy..

You're like a little kid that got their ass kicked at a game and then they turn around and say that game sucks, so who cares LOL

If you took all the quotes off your comment, you wouldn't sound so stupid for once.

[nando]

It's stuff like this that makes me think Trump and his supporters have small penis syndrome:

"White House portraits of Bill Clinton and George W. Bush moved from prominent space to rarely used room"

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/17/politics/white-house-portraits-clinton-bush-trump/index.html

[phillipj]

obama, bush , clinton. i think any of those guys would still get blamed directly by ppl that already hate them for what's happening during this plague

what would biden do you think? or hilery.

I do think whether it's Bush or Biden or Obama or even Hillary Clinton, they were going to take the pandemic super seriously. They don't view this (as much) as a marketing exercise; all of them are also more allegiant to science, even Bush.

It's telling that some of the biggest Hedge-fund managers have been coming out lately and congratulating Trump for downplaying the seriousness of the pandemic, and they talk about very plainly: it gave them just a little more time to reallocate and play this. Meanwhile we have 130k+ dead in the country. The President and his cabal has serious blood on their hands. The blown response deserves removal from office.

[nando]

On a side note, that press secretary should do some porn

It's not a coincidence that Trump was buddies with Epstein, until he suddenly "forgot" that he knew him. But you know, his mental acuity is off the charts!