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    Originally posted by nando View Post

    Should you be able to own and use a rocket launcher? how about a tank?

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      Originally posted by 325e '87 View Post
      I just hate the fact that I have to close my windows and lock my car when I go to the store to buy a pound of ground beef. We should be able to trust each other enough to respect others’ property. I, obviously, get bogged down in the little daily misdeeds.
      Just like cleaning up trash in a neighborhood reduces crime, you have to be the change you want to see in the world. People feed off each other. You're the first to put bars on your windows? Congrats on sending your neighborhood into a death spiral. I leave the top and windows down in the TT when we're out. (PG county, MD. Look up the crime stats before making claims.) There's little in there to take, mind you, but it sends a message. Somebody trusts this area. And I want this area to get better.
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        ^I used to be able to leave the house and cars unlocked, front door open for cooling in my small Danish tourist town, until the Chumash built their casino. Now we have pervs coming from hours away via the free shuttle, entering the schools and trying to pick up kids.

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          Assault rifles to me means high capacity fully automatic weapons. Banning it will not decrease the number of mass shootings we have today, but it will decrease the number of causalities in shootings. When it comes to self defense, semi auto is more than capable. With more than 20million guns are produced each years, the chances of guns violence will increase proportionally. Each gun violent will make 10 other people to buy a gun for self defense, then a few who bought the guns will ended up using in a good or bad way, and the cycle continues.
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            Automatic weapons are already banned.
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              Originally posted by Kershaw View Post
              Automatic weapons are already banned.
              You can own a fully automatic weapon with three caveats:
              1. the possessor isn't a prohibited person,
              2. the full-auto machine gun was made before 1986, and
              3. their relevant state law does not ban that the firearm (whether banning machine guns outright or any firearm with certain features).
              https://rocketffl.com/who-can-own-a-...o-machine-gun/

              However, they are horrifically expensive and rarely become available on the open market. No one is going to register with the ATF, wait months for a background check, then drop $15-20k for one gun to commit crimes with.

              Especially since with the right information and tools, it's not incredibly difficult to make a semi-auto a full-auto.
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                ^ yep any pair of pants with a belt loop works also.

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                  Thanks for writing more than I felt compelled to, I already know. I didn't think the full explanation of all the hoops and fistfuls of cash needed was useful to dsphil beyond they've already been banned. Because that's what they functionally are, they're banned. If the government passes laws to make something out of reach for 99.99% of people to own, that's a pretty effective ban.
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                    Look, we don't live in Brazil, and most of us have no legitimate "need" for any firearm that is more geared towards killing people than killing animals or other sporting purposes. (to me, this means most handguns, and most any semi-automatic rifle) But if we do want them for any reason we can have them, as is our right, and it should stay that way...

                    ...until a majority of people (or our elected representatives/federal or state agencies) deem it necessary/prudent/beneficial to society/or whatever to curtail those rights, and we should respect that decision, whatever it may be. This is how it is with just about everything, including cars, it's how society operates, and very few, but undoubtedly some of us would die as a result of the loss of privately held firearms.

                    But to be responsible citizens I think we should do a few things ourselves; first, we ought to require each other on an individual level to be actually practically and intensively trained in their operation/storage, much in the same way as we do with motor vehicles, but better in reality, and with somewhat frequent retraining, and apply it to every firearm of every sort; additionally, we should encourage our local police forces to tone down what seems to be a build up of firepower/militarization, which seems to encourage others to "need" firearms to keep up, and sets a what seems like a bad example of "needing" more firearms to the general public, not to mention how it effectively makes it more likely that we will be actively killed by our government (although it's very unlikely); and we should be very realistic in our personal assessments of needs/wants in deciding to continue to purchase more firearms, and remember, that while they are an enjoyable hobby, they do pose a small risk to ourselves, through negligence/accidents and our community as they are owned by humans, who are fairly unpredictable in our behavior.

                    In any case, I suspect that we can generally agree that fewer firearms is probably better for society as a whole, as it would undoubtedly reduce incidences of criminal use, but with responsible use there is absolutely no need to remove them from the public. Yes, I realize that the above can be readily applied to cars, but in reality they aren't too different from firearms.

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                      ^Do you support our politicians curtailing any right? Or just 2A? What about exempting themselves from our own castrated rights? They already do this? What is to stop them from advancing their control? Can a right be reduced? Or is it then just a privilege? Or is that Infringement, an unconstitutional law?

                      Think about red flag laws and count how many rights they trample on...Think about all the ways any unconstitutional law can be abused.
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                        So why aren't you out there using your 2nd amendment right to protect all the other disregarded rights?

                        I have yet to see anyone get into a shootout with the police and successfully defend themselves from civil asset forfeiture. Does anyone have any examples of this working?
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                          Interesting, no response. Bueller?

                          But to answer your non response question:
                          Not that I agree with the guys worldviews (I do not), but a recent example that actually hit the news and had some bipartisanship support (not much, very controversial): Bundy Ranch Oregon.

                          The willingness to stand up for one's rights goes hand in hand with how bad things get. Venezuelans gave up their guns in the hope the government would fulfill the promise of reducing gang crime. Now the government has turned on it's own people, and gang crime is worse with the same weapons.
                          Last edited by R3Z3N; 08-15-2019, 09:16 AM.

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                            There is NO such thing as an assault weapon. People often misinterpret the AR-15, The AR in AR-15 actually mean armalite rifle which was the original manufacturer of the rifle and is the only true AR-15 everything else is just a companies own version. Its like when people call AC refrigerant Freon. Anything can become and assault weapon just by using it to cause harm to another person. If I hit you with a baseball bat its now an assault baseball bat. Should we have some better background checks yes maybe but I don't think it will really stop the past few shooting the people had pretty clean records so what would an in depth background check have uncovered?


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                              Originally posted by mach schnell View Post


                              So tell us, unequivocally, where you stand.

                              Are you going to answer this, z31maniac, or just pontificate?

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                                Originally posted by R3Z3N View Post
                                but a recent example that actually hit the news and had some bipartisanship support (not much, very controversial): Bundy Ranch Oregon.
                                Lol. Bundy Ranch. If anything, that's an example of why guns should be outlawed. I will admit that it went better for him (he's not dead or in jail) than the people who committed that act of terrorism for him. That's usually the way it goes for rich assholes, disregarding the law and getting off scot-free. This guy refuses to pay his grazing fees (for profiting from land that we all own and cheating us our taxes) and then takes over a federal building. What an asshat. He would have cost us less money if he had robbed a few banks. He's an example of the opposite of civil asset forfeiture. Private citizen(s) robbing the federal government. If he had simply paid his fees, he was still getting a 93% discount on grazing over grazing on private land. What a greedy asshole.
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