Kamotors E30-Turbo to ITB M20

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  • Bimmer_man
    E30 Fanatic
    • Jan 2013
    • 1477

    #2671
    Are you getting a mls head gasket?
    Float like a cadillac sting like a Bimmer!:)

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    • kamotors
      R3V OG
      • Nov 2007
      • 7102

      #2672
      Originally posted by Bimmer_man
      Are you getting a mls head gasket?
      nope, never needed one, I have personally only blown 1 headgasket on my E30 and it was the 25psi block cracking incident; I was experimenting with the meth and was nearing 30degrees timing advance; I believe I was around 28 degrees advance and 25psi on the gt35 and making gobs of power.

      but the funny thing that most dont realize, i drove well over 5k miles on that cracked block.

      Matt Farah reviewed the car on the cracked block, I drove 900 miles down to L.A on the cracked block, plus all the auto-x fun.

      M20 was a trooper lol, entire oil pan was mud when I pulled it apart after returning home from bimmerfest. It drank over a gallon of coolant on the trip home from b-fest and was still making excellent power at 19psi AND averaged over 20mpg no problem.

      It was just constantly getting worse and the the bimmerfest trip is what made me remove the M20 as the cracks had gotten too bad.


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      • Bimmer_man
        E30 Fanatic
        • Jan 2013
        • 1477

        #2673
        Damn dude that's one hell of a story man. Well good luck with it man. I can't wait to see what this car will be capable of and would be nice to see what a itb set up would do on a turbo set up.
        Float like a cadillac sting like a Bimmer!:)

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        • ThatOneEuroE30
          R3V OG
          • Dec 2013
          • 8626

          #2674
          Ahh I see. Curious to see how you make the plenum after auto x


          1989 325is l 1984 euro 320i l 1970 2002 Racecar
          1991 318i 4dr slick top


          Euro spec 320i/Alpina B6 3.5 project(the never ending saga)
          Vintage race car revival (2002 content)
          Mtech 2 turbo restoration
          Brilliantrot slick top "build"

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          • kamotors
            R3V OG
            • Nov 2007
            • 7102

            #2675
            So heres just about finished head valves adjusted and the double checked.

            Also discovered megasquirt has a specific ITB mode, it blends alpha n with speed density. Ill be setting up a vacuum block to tie all cylinders together and try to get a signal that can be used around idle range. Doesnt hurt to try ive heard I can get a somewhat stable signal with map sensor reading off of the vac. block. Worth a shot, nothing lost if it doesn't get stable signal

            Something like this.


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            • tinkerputzer
              E30 Addict
              • Jun 2008
              • 508

              #2676
              You'll want to double check the valve clearances once the head is torqued down. They always change in my experience.

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              • Bullet Ride
                E30 Addict
                • Dec 2010
                • 598

                #2677
                Originally posted by kamotors
                Also discovered megasquirt has a specific ITB mode, it blends alpha n with speed density. Ill be setting up a vacuum block to tie all cylinders together and try to get a signal that can be used around idle range. Doesnt hurt to try ive heard I can get a somewhat stable signal with map sensor reading off of the vac. block. Worth a shot, nothing lost if it doesn't get stable signal
                You should be able to get a stable map signal with a vacuum manifold. FWIW I tuned my ITBs off the map signal and ran the car all last summer off of it because of a TPS signal noise issue I have yet to sort out. I was able to get it running pretty good.

                Alpha-n or the hybrid map/alpha-n is definitely ideal though.

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                • digger
                  R3V Elite
                  • Nov 2005
                  • 5909

                  #2678
                  How is the switch over point defined? By load, rpm or both? I’ve always wondered how a blended setup works, if you use MAP for low load and idle and then TPS for higher loads wont they try and use the same cell in the table and there be a conflict? at idle on MAP you willl likely be idling at say 900rpm and 60%-70% load, but with a tps map you will be at 0 load
                  89 E30 325is Lachs Silber - currently M20B31, M20B33 in the works, stroked to the hilt...

                  new build thread http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=317505

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                  • digger
                    R3V Elite
                    • Nov 2005
                    • 5909

                    #2679
                    Originally posted by Bullet Ride
                    You should be able to get a stable map signal with a vacuum manifold. FWIW I tuned my ITBs off the map signal and ran the car all last summer off of it because of a TPS signal noise issue I have yet to sort out. I was able to get it running pretty good.

                    Alpha-n or the hybrid map/alpha-n is definitely ideal though.
                    im looking at a hall effect TPS which has better signal to noise ratio and drifts less with temperature. my TPS seem to go bad after a few months, they must use the low load part of the track excessively which wears and creates an erratic signal. it still drives ok but mixtures arent as consistent as i would like at very low loads
                    89 E30 325is Lachs Silber - currently M20B31, M20B33 in the works, stroked to the hilt...

                    new build thread http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=317505

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                    • kamotors
                      R3V OG
                      • Nov 2007
                      • 7102

                      #2680
                      Head installed.


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                      • jareddavidj
                        Member
                        • Nov 2013
                        • 75

                        #2681
                        Can't wait to hear it:)

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                        • kamotors
                          R3V OG
                          • Nov 2007
                          • 7102

                          #2682
                          Discovered I was sent a cork oil pan gasket should I keep it, or buy a paper gasket?



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                          • Bimmer_man
                            E30 Fanatic
                            • Jan 2013
                            • 1477

                            #2683
                            I don't see anything wrong with the cork one I'd just use it. It's what I have that came in my bottom end kit.

                            If it really worries you, you can use a tube of sealer on both the pan and black and sandwich the cork gasket between the two. My brother dose that with a lot of gaskets. He's a master mechanic and has been for like 10 years.
                            Last edited by Bimmer_man; 03-12-2015, 04:01 PM.
                            Float like a cadillac sting like a Bimmer!:)

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                            • ThatOneEuroE30
                              R3V OG
                              • Dec 2013
                              • 8626

                              #2684
                              Ditch them both and get some rtv sealant and never do the gasket again


                              1989 325is l 1984 euro 320i l 1970 2002 Racecar
                              1991 318i 4dr slick top


                              Euro spec 320i/Alpina B6 3.5 project(the never ending saga)
                              Vintage race car revival (2002 content)
                              Mtech 2 turbo restoration
                              Brilliantrot slick top "build"

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                              • Bimmer_man
                                E30 Fanatic
                                • Jan 2013
                                • 1477

                                #2685
                                Haha or that, that works too haha.
                                Float like a cadillac sting like a Bimmer!:)

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