Nonsense Thread

[MrBurgundy]

Look man, British car reliability is just a whole 'nother level of bad. I'm down for some challenges, but not British challenges.

England leveled up with the Ineos.

English engineered, made in France, bmw drivetrain.

the unholy trinity

The dealer doesn't have the software to reset the service intervals yet LOL

[Northern]

Look man, British car reliability is just a whole 'nother level of bad. I'm down for some challenges, but not British challenges.

Even worse, these are like 50% Ford lol. Especially the Lion V6 powerstroke diesel ones with the snappy cranks.

Every one with a snapped crank that I've seen seems to have obliterated bearings, so it might be an oil pump/oiling issue more than anything. Otherwise I would really want one for the torque/fuel economy/webasto heater.

Purely anecdotal, but my mum's got a LR4 with the 2.7 diesel (which you guys never got I don't think). Owned it since new, been ahead of servicing its entire life. Big stuff just goes wrong on them. It's probably up for a torque converter replacement, had some major oil leaks that necessitated body off, etc. Dead entertainment unit. The 3L diesels just snap cranks with 0 warning or cause. Lack of servicing doesn't help, but in overly complex cars that are designed to be perfect in warranty and then make the service department money out of warranty, stuff just goes spectacularly wrong at times.
Great car though, would own again

Yeah we didn't get the diesels here, I think all the way back to the original Disco. You can get the D5 here up to 2020 with a Td6... but it's supposedly the same engine as the LR3/4 so in theory it has the same issues but you tend to hear about DPF and EGR problems more than anything. Not sure if there are simply fewer D5s around (particularly diesels) or if there's something else different about them.
I am pretty interested in one as an XC90 replacement as they're very cheap. Delete the crap and hopefully enjoy.

[McGyver]

Purely anecdotal, but my mum's got a LR4 with the 2.7 diesel (which you guys never got I don't think). Owned it since new, been ahead of servicing its entire life. Big stuff just goes wrong on them. It's probably up for a torque converter replacement, had some major oil leaks that necessitated body off, etc. Dead entertainment unit. The 3L diesels just snap cranks with 0 warning or cause. Lack of servicing doesn't help, but in overly complex cars that are designed to be perfect in warranty and then make the service department money out of warranty, stuff just goes spectacularly wrong at times.
Great car though, would own again

Look man, British car reliability is just a whole 'nother level of bad. I'm down for some challenges, but not British challenges.

[econti]

I assume that most of the horror stories from these luxury cars are from people that bought something clapped out or deferred maintenance, then got a huge bill when they finally took it in. Sure, German cars may have more expensive parts, but you're also getting a much more impressive machine for your money. Shit, the Turbo S came with 550hp from the factory in 2008!

Purely anecdotal, but my mum's got a LR4 with the 2.7 diesel (which you guys never got I don't think). Owned it since new, been ahead of servicing its entire life. Big stuff just goes wrong on them. It's probably up for a torque converter replacement, had some major oil leaks that necessitated body off, etc. Dead entertainment unit. The 3L diesels just snap cranks with 0 warning or cause. Lack of servicing doesn't help, but in overly complex cars that are designed to be perfect in warranty and then make the service department money out of warranty, stuff just goes spectacularly wrong at times.
Great car though, would own again

[MrBurgundy]

Also the EU has some crazy standards and basically demanded long intervals for environmental reasons to reduce waste oils.

It's more that then the manufacturer trying to grenade their turds.

A v8 cayenne takes almost 2 gallons of oil too, so that helps.

Their interval is also set for 365 days, so if you find one with lower mileage and they did their yearly service, you're gonna be on the safe side.

[McGyver]

I don't know what the fuck this was about back in like the 2010s, but it's like every manufacturer was trying to actively sabotage their engine life. Both other brands I mentioned did this too.
LR4/Jag 5.0 is notorious for chains, and they have this same brutal interval with some obscure 5W20 oil spec.

It had to be a cost savings thing. If fluid changes are covered under warranty, what's the minimum number possible to get the car to the end of the warranty without catastrophic failure? BMW introduced "lifetime fluids" for transmissions and such because, yeah, you can get to 60k without a fluid flush and who cares what happens after. The original owner, who is generating the actual revenue through dealer financing, has probably already bought a new car anyway.

I assume that most of the horror stories from these luxury cars are from people that bought something clapped out or deferred maintenance, then got a huge bill when they finally took it in. Sure, German cars may have more expensive parts, but you're also getting a much more impressive machine for your money. Shit, the Turbo S came with 550hp from the factory in 2008!

[Panici]

Happy to change my oil every 3-5k.
Keep my stuff for a long time and it's cheap insurance on an old engine.

[Northern]

Ok, so looking for a car that was reasonably well maintained is the key. I think Porsche had a 20k mile oil change interval from the factory, I gotta avoid any car where people didn't treat it well.

I don't know what the fuck this was about back in like the 2010s, but it's like every manufacturer was trying to actively sabotage their engine life. Both other brands I mentioned did this too.
LR4/Jag 5.0 is notorious for chains, and they have this same brutal interval with some obscure 5W20 oil spec.

[Northern]

From what I've read, the NA V8 block has a different casting process than the Turbo V8 block, and this is believed to be the cause of more bore scoring in the NA engine vs the Turbo. So some people think the turbo is a more reliable engine. I would definitely want the air suspension, which I heard is relatively reliable.

I was under the impression it was the other way around between the turbo/non turbo V8, but I have only the shakiest of knowledge on these.

I think air is usually reliable, but obviously never as reliable as a regular spring.
People complain about the land rover LR3/4/RRS air suspension too, but mine has 16 years/300k on 100% original kit - compressor, valves, struts/bags. I think this is pretty common for this gen. The comfort is worth the cost to keep it intact, and the articulation is damn good for IFS/IRS because it can control each corner's height.

IMO the big issue is the growing number of useless people who buy old-ish Porsche/Land Rover/BMW/etc. as some kind of "flex."
They have zero intent to do any work or even research, and the moment anything goes wrong, they run to the dealer.
Then they post their $20k engine replacement quote on fecebook or reddit and their new personality becomes hating whichever brand it was.

[McGyver]

Glad I showed up just in time for the 1000 page Nonsense thread. I'm a baby compared to y'all, but I'm working on getting grumpy like the old MFs here.

get off my lawn

[MrBurgundy]

glad i showed up just in time for the 1000 page nonsense thread. I'm a baby compared to y'all, but i'm working on getting grumpy like the old mfs here.

asl?

[2mAn]

Only NEWBS are on page 1000... 377 over here

[MrBurgundy]

Glad I showed up just in time for the 1000 page Nonsense thread. I'm a baby compared to y'all, but I'm working on getting grumpy like the old MFs here.

I'm still a young succulent buck

*sobs quietly*

[JasonWilson48]

Glad I showed up just in time for the 1000 page Nonsense thread. I'm a baby compared to y'all, but I'm working on getting grumpy like the old MFs here.

[McGyver]

Ok, so looking for a car that was reasonably well maintained is the key. I think Porsche had a 20k mile oil change interval from the factory, I gotta avoid any car where people didn't treat it well.

Still, I can't imagine wanting a VR6 in one of these when a 4.5 or 4.8 V8 is an option for the same price.

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Also, I rolled it to 1,000 pages on my monitor!