Nonsense Thread

[2mAn]

people are stupid in 2026

[MrBurgundy]

Dealerships are gouging consumers big time.

My Jeep sticker was 65k which is fucking nuts and I would never in my life do that.

My buddy who was the GM at the dealer gave it to me at cost and that was 49k OTD which makes more sense. So lets say 47k is the dealership cost..

crazy they need to make almost 20k on a truck lol and a fucking jeep too.

people are retarded enough to pay the price I guess cuz they sold an insane amount of cars every month.

[varg]

I get that. Had the FK8, would actually love an FL5 or the DE5 (Integra Type S). But it is a lot of money, and I'm cheap. But I sold my FK8 to fund a project that I haven't been able to focus on (woot non running e30s). So YMMV and all that. I got a EM1 from a friend to pass the time till I found the E30 I wanted and honestly that car was as fun or more fun than the Type R. New Honda manuals feel amazing, till they don't, the weird cup linkage thang it can grind, look hard enough and even all journalists mention this is still there on the FL5s etc. Em1 topic === Shoulda held onto it for at least 2x as long. It was more unique, and if you lojack/alarm the shit out of a golden era Honda... I think that's a car you can honestly enjoy for a loooong time. Assuming safety isn't a concern, and well - I felt more comfortable if it was only me in it.

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Corolla topic: If it's a Corolla or Matrix XRS --- that's a fun car, but are harder to find now.

Has the same engine as the Lotus Elise we got here.

"Both cars share the same legendary high-revving 1.8-liter 2ZZ-GE four-cylinder engine (co-developed with Yamaha and also found in the Lotus Elise) and a 6-speed manual transmission, pushing 164 to 180 horsepower with an 8,200–8,500 RPM redline."

LANKKKS: GOOGLE, VWVORTEX HAH

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CLIFFS

CHEAP CARS = YES.

EXPENSIVE CARS = I DUNNO, YES BUT NO. DEPENDS.

BYEBYEFORMEOW

New car prices have outpaced my concept of money and I can't stomach the idea of $50k buying a civic or an AWD hot hatch. I may be a car enthusiast but I'm also not ok with hemorrhaging money on depreciation when I could enjoy it better elsewhere. I like the look of the FL5 generation a hell of a lot more than the FK8, but in the end the result is the same for me, I won't spend nearly $50k on a new car and be OK with that money only yielding a turbo FWD sedan with a big wing on it.

There was an XRS that was kind of rough on cars and bids not too long ago for a reasonable price if it isn't burning oil. If I needed a fuel efficient daily I'd do the 2ZZ+manual version of one of those corolla/matrix/vibe if it was cheap but I wouldn't pay a big premium for it because in the end it's still an fwd econoblob. Unfortunately in addition to being massive theft magnets the 2000s and earlier sport Hondas are pretty expensive for what they are which is a sport version of a fwd economy car which I don't have any sentimental bond with or outsized special interest in. And that's why I was ok spending too much money on a fragile, thirsty, unreliable sports car like the FD, sentimentality - I just think it's beautiful and probably the best and purest sports car of its era.

I was just talking to some buddies about the irony that the MR2 got a 1ZZ, not the 2ZZ... but they threw the 2ZZ in a Corolla AND a Matrix... AND A Pontiac VIBE?! (which, yes is just a rebadged Matrix)

Post MK4 Supra Toyota is disappointment incarnate, they need hand holding to make cool cars. At least they finally made LSDs standard on the GRrolla to go with the $40k base price.

[2mAn]

Corolla topic: If it's a Corolla or Matrix XRS --- that's a fun car, but are harder to find now.

Has the same engine as the Lotus Elise we got here.

"Both cars share the same legendary high-revving 1.8-liter 2ZZ-GE four-cylinder engine (co-developed with Yamaha and also found in the Lotus Elise) and a 6-speed manual transmission, pushing 164 to 180 horsepower with an 8,200–8,500 RPM redline."

LANKKKS: GOOGLE, VWVORTEX HAH

I was just talking to some buddies about the irony that the MR2 got a 1ZZ, not the 2ZZ... but they threw the 2ZZ in a Corolla AND a Matrix... AND A Pontiac VIBE?! (which, yes is just a rebadged Matrix)

[DEV0 E30]

Maybe. I wasn't impressed by my mom's Passat back when she had one, that's my barometer. I have FWD and VW prejudice

It's the nonsense thread I can go off topic a bit on that, with a few expensive or vintage exceptions FWDs are mobility blobs to me so if I'm going to put up with a FWD I'm not going to deal with VAG headaches or spend a lot of money. I would genuinely rather daily a clean 5 speed 2006 Corolla than a 2026 Civic Type R because I'd rather keep that extra $40k in the stock market or in a classic car than have a daily that is more fun and quick on paper, but to what end.

MUTLITASKING TO BE FAST:

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I get that. Had the FK8, would actually love an FL5 or the DE5 (Integra Type S). But it is a lot of money, and I'm cheap. But I sold my FK8 to fund a project that I haven't been able to focus on (woot non running e30s). So YMMV and all that. I got a EM1 from a friend to pass the time till I found the E30 I wanted and honestly that car was as fun or more fun than the Type R. New Honda manuals feel amazing, till they don't, the weird cup linkage thang it can grind, look hard enough and even all journalists mention this is still there on the FL5s etc. Em1 topic === Shoulda held onto it for at least 2x as long. It was more unique, and if you lojack/alarm the shit out of a golden era Honda... I think that's a car you can honestly enjoy for a loooong time. Assuming safety isn't a concern, and well - I felt more comfortable if it was only me in it.

=========

Corolla topic: If it's a Corolla or Matrix XRS --- that's a fun car, but are harder to find now.

Has the same engine as the Lotus Elise we got here.

"Both cars share the same legendary high-revving 1.8-liter 2ZZ-GE four-cylinder engine (co-developed with Yamaha and also found in the Lotus Elise) and a 6-speed manual transmission, pushing 164 to 180 horsepower with an 8,200–8,500 RPM redline."

LANKKKS: GOOGLE, VWVORTEX HAH

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CLIFFS

CHEAP CARS = YES.

EXPENSIVE CARS = I DUNNO, YES BUT NO. DEPENDS.

BYEBYEFORMEOW

[varg]

Proof: Acura Integra Type R

ITR, EK9... what's the floor for a decent one these days? $20k? You can get an E46 M3 for that, a TT Z32, 240Z, S2000 if you stick with Honda.

Citroen DS and SM, Cord 812, Bucciali TAV12... These are the kinds of expensive or classic exceptions to my FWD hater rule.

[2mAn]

Should sell it for an early production LR4.

This is the R3V way...

[Northern]

That VW wouldn't be on my radar in any circumstance, but my car judgement is questionable.

Yeah I also have no business opening my mouth here but I see no benefit to the Jetta other than that it's newer(muh safety) than the E30 and gets decent fuel economy... and maybe it's different down there but you need to use an awful lot of fuel to break even with a whole-ass second car.

Should sell it for an early production LR4.

[TheRob]

You should just keep the E30, if you sell it you'll just end up buying another one down the roadanyway . Sell everything else, buy a solid daily driver. Put the rest into the E30, or savings, maybe a big ass party.

[2mAn]

Maybe. I wasn't impressed by my mom's Passat back when she had one, that's my barometer. I have FWD and VW prejudice

It's the nonsense thread I can go off topic a bit on that, with a few expensive or vintage exceptions FWDs are mobility blobs to me so if I'm going to put up with a FWD I'm not going to deal with VAG headaches or spend a lot of money. I would genuinely rather daily a clean 5 speed 2006 Corolla than a 2026 Civic Type R because I'd rather keep that extra $40k in the stock market or in a classic car than have a daily that is more fun and quick on paper, but to what end.

As long as you're under 200bhp-ish a FWD is totally fine.

Proof: Acura Integra Type R

My Jetta WITH an APR Tune (which I am currently contemplating) will put my car at ~135bhp and 225ftlbs haha

[varg]

What you forget is that (believe it or not) the Jetta is actually fairly fun to drive, VS the appliance that a Corolla is.

Maybe. I wasn't impressed by my mom's Passat back when she had one, that's my barometer. I have FWD and VW prejudice

It's the nonsense thread I can go off topic a bit on that, with a few expensive or vintage exceptions FWDs are mobility blobs to me so if I'm going to put up with a FWD I'm not going to deal with VAG headaches or spend a lot of money. I would genuinely rather daily a clean 5 speed 2006 Corolla than a 2026 Civic Type R because I'd rather keep that extra $40k in the stock market or in a classic car than have a daily that is more fun and quick on paper, but to what end.

[2mAn]

what's the issue w keeping all of them

Biggest issue is I wouldnt drive half of them much at all, and I hate having 2 stuffed in the garage. It makes eliminating one easy, but getting down to 2 a little harder because (1) I need a car to haul kids without care (2) a car for weekends/ Cars& coffee & solo driving days, and (3) a car for canyons/ track days

merging 2&3 should be possible ... but what car will that be??

[MrBurgundy]

what's the issue w keeping all of them

obv the wife doesn't want it but like is there an actual reason outside of that

[2mAn]

That VW wouldn't be on my radar in any circumstance, but my car judgement is questionable.

What you forget is that (believe it or not) the Jetta is actually fairly fun to drive, VS the appliance that a Corolla is.

Wish I could keep them all...

[varg]

That VW wouldn't be on my radar in any circumstance, but my car judgement is questionable. My daily burns more oil than a VW, gets 20mpg, and has a clutch pedal that doubles as exercise equipment. If I needed a lozenge shaped disposable FWD car to DD I'd be looking at 20 year old corollas to minimize hassle and expenditure on a car I'm not going to like anyway.